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I can claim electric cars will beat out hydrogen cars in the long run. I don't have to build an electric car to back up this assertion. I can look at the fundam

by Fordec 5y ago

I can claim electric cars will beat out hydrogen cars in the long run. I don't have to build an electric car to back up this assertion. I can look at the fundamental factors at hand and project out based on theoretical maximums. I can also claim humans will have longer lifespans in the future. I don't need to develop a life extending drug before I can hold that assertion. Kubernetes is complex. Society used to still work on simpler systems before we added layers of complexity. There are dozens of layers of abstraction above the level of transistors, it is not a stretch to think that there is a more elegant abstraction yet designed without having to "prove" themselves to zozobot234.

0xdeadbeefbabe 5y ago
> comments are intended to add color on the design of the Oil language and the motivation for the project as a whole. Comments are also easier to write than code. He really does seem obligated to prove kubernetes is our generations multics, and that's a good thing.
pphysch 5y ago
What are the "fundamental factors at hand" with Kubernetes and software orchestration? How do you quantify these things?
parasubvert 5y ago
Claiming Kubernetes is Multics , and that UNIX is around the corner, is worthless claim without actual data or argument to back it up. To me, Kubernetes is the new UNIX, centered around a small number of core ideas: controller loops, Pods, level-triggered events, and a fully open, well-standardized, and declarative, and extensible RESTful API. The various clouds and predecessor cloud orchestrators were the infinitely complicated beasts. OP just linked to a few rants about the complexity of the CNCF ecosystem (not Kubernetes), and extended cranky rant / thought exercise by the MetalLB guy. The latter is the closest to an actual argument against Kubernetes, but there’s a LOT of things to disagree with in that post .

by Fordec 5y ago

0xdeadbeefbabe 5y ago

> comments are intended to add color on the design of the Oil language and the motivation for the project as a whole. Comments are also easier to write than code. He really does seem obligated to prove kubernetes is our generations multics, and that's a good thing.

pphysch 5y ago

What are the "fundamental factors at hand" with Kubernetes and software orchestration? How do you quantify these things?

parasubvert 5y ago

Claiming Kubernetes is Multics , and that UNIX is around the corner, is worthless claim without actual data or argument to back it up. To me, Kubernetes is the new UNIX, centered around a small number of core ideas: controller loops, Pods, level-triggered events, and a fully open, well-standardized, and declarative, and extensible RESTful API. The various clouds and predecessor cloud orchestrators were the infinitely complicated beasts. OP just linked to a few rants about the complexity of the CNCF ecosystem (not Kubernetes), and extended cranky rant / thought exercise by the MetalLB guy. The latter is the closest to an actual argument against Kubernetes, but there’s a LOT of things to disagree with in that post .