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This article is just re-reporting what a newsletter discovered. The original article seems like it has more info. https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/pillar-invest

This article is just re-reporting what a newsletter discovered. The original article seems like it has more info. https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/pillar-investigates-usccb-gen-sec https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/pillar-investigates-usccb-g...

elliekelly 5y ago
This article wrongly conflates being gay with being “only a step away from sexual predation.” > But any use of the app by the priest could be seen to present a conflict with his role in developing and overseeing national child protection policies, as Church leaders have called in recent months for a greater emphasis on technology accountability in Church policies. That a priest is gay might violate Catholic teaching but it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on his ability to develop child protection policies and to suggest his sexuality "could be seen to present a conflict" is, at best, willful ignorance.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
  No it's not attacking gays. These policies were implemented back in the mid 2010s and sexual orientation is irrelevant. It's a huge deal where priest basically are held to an even higher standard publicly. So while in the 70s this priest could've been shifted elsewhere, now because he's publicly a sexually active person, the Church wants little to do with them. I've been through like 3 of these types of meetings our church made us do (when I was still Catholic). They were more like "if you see something, say something" and "how to catch a priest predator" inadvertently. It's more like the Catholic church only wants virgins and people who can't be proven otherwise as priests right now.
  - headShrinker 5y ago
    “ It's more like the Catholic church only wants virgins and people who can't be proven otherwise as priests right now.” But let’s be honest it’s unspoken that they prefer straight virgins right? Actually it’s spoken. Quite verbose in fact. The church is constantly attacking gays and for them to be non-bias in this case is completely out of character and you are giving them way too much courtesy.
    - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
      The church calls for people who are gay to basically suppress it and go into a vocation where they can not sin basically. They really don't care if you're gay. The church essentially considers it a fetish. Fetishes aren't a sin. Acting on them are. Yes yes before the mob gets upset at the faulty logic, I get it. There is several reasons that I'm irreligious now.
      - headShrinker 5y ago
        Sorry. I did not assert that the church considers being a gay a sin. I insist that the church has consistently been against gays and it would be out of character for them to be different. You confirmed this with your comment
        MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
        I mean it's kinda weird. The church conforms to social norms. I've met a lot of gay catholics and families who have a gay child and I've never seen some crazy nutjob bashing on any side. People in my state are very tolerant of it. The church has never once stated anything crazy like "gays go to hell" or "all gays are sinners." I feel like you're getting it warped that catholics publicly condemning it but not speaking for the actual church, are somehow speaking for the church. Every institution has ignorant members so you can't hold the Church accountable for it's fair share of stupid people.
        elliekelly 5y ago
        What? The Catholic Church, the institution, has repeatedly said gay people are sinners. Several Popes (just in my lifetime!) have given speeches and written essays to that effect.
        headShrinker 5y ago
        I really don’t know how much more clear I need to be with you. Vatican bars gay union blessing, says God ‘can’t bless sin’ https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-cannot-bless-sin-077944750c975313ad253328e4cf7443 https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-ca... This is from March 2021… You seem to be talking out of both sides your mouth. You are continuously wrong and willful in not acknowledging it. Just to be clear I speak from experience when I talk about the church. My uncle was in the seminary, my other uncle is a catholic priest, my father was in the seminary, my best friend is a devout Catholic who’s been going to church every day for the past 60 years. I know church doctrine. I don’t think you do I’ve met all the nice catholic people you describe. I’ve also met the not so nice people you pretend aren’t a large influential part of the Catholic Church. Maybe your state is a wonderland. Travel a bit and see the rest of the world and know what it actually looks like when you are gay
- lupire 5y ago
  A priest who is going to bars has less time for 1:1 private contact with children....

elliekelly 5y ago

This article wrongly conflates being gay with being “only a step away from sexual predation.” > But any use of the app by the priest could be seen to present a conflict with his role in developing and overseeing national child protection policies, as Church leaders have called in recent months for a greater emphasis on technology accountability in Church policies. That a priest is gay might violate Catholic teaching but it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on his ability to develop child protection policies and to suggest his sexuality "could be seen to present a conflict" is, at best, willful ignorance.

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
No it's not attacking gays. These policies were implemented back in the mid 2010s and sexual orientation is irrelevant. It's a huge deal where priest basically are held to an even higher standard publicly. So while in the 70s this priest could've been shifted elsewhere, now because he's publicly a sexually active person, the Church wants little to do with them. I've been through like 3 of these types of meetings our church made us do (when I was still Catholic). They were more like "if you see something, say something" and "how to catch a priest predator" inadvertently. It's more like the Catholic church only wants virgins and people who can't be proven otherwise as priests right now.
- headShrinker 5y ago
  “ It's more like the Catholic church only wants virgins and people who can't be proven otherwise as priests right now.” But let’s be honest it’s unspoken that they prefer straight virgins right? Actually it’s spoken. Quite verbose in fact. The church is constantly attacking gays and for them to be non-bias in this case is completely out of character and you are giving them way too much courtesy.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
    The church calls for people who are gay to basically suppress it and go into a vocation where they can not sin basically. They really don't care if you're gay. The church essentially considers it a fetish. Fetishes aren't a sin. Acting on them are. Yes yes before the mob gets upset at the faulty logic, I get it. There is several reasons that I'm irreligious now.
    - headShrinker 5y ago
      Sorry. I did not assert that the church considers being a gay a sin. I insist that the church has consistently been against gays and it would be out of character for them to be different. You confirmed this with your comment
      - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
        I mean it's kinda weird. The church conforms to social norms. I've met a lot of gay catholics and families who have a gay child and I've never seen some crazy nutjob bashing on any side. People in my state are very tolerant of it. The church has never once stated anything crazy like "gays go to hell" or "all gays are sinners." I feel like you're getting it warped that catholics publicly condemning it but not speaking for the actual church, are somehow speaking for the church. Every institution has ignorant members so you can't hold the Church accountable for it's fair share of stupid people.
        elliekelly 5y ago
        What? The Catholic Church, the institution, has repeatedly said gay people are sinners. Several Popes (just in my lifetime!) have given speeches and written essays to that effect.
        headShrinker 5y ago
        I really don’t know how much more clear I need to be with you. Vatican bars gay union blessing, says God ‘can’t bless sin’ https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-cannot-bless-sin-077944750c975313ad253328e4cf7443 https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decree-same-sex-unions-ca... This is from March 2021… You seem to be talking out of both sides your mouth. You are continuously wrong and willful in not acknowledging it. Just to be clear I speak from experience when I talk about the church. My uncle was in the seminary, my other uncle is a catholic priest, my father was in the seminary, my best friend is a devout Catholic who’s been going to church every day for the past 60 years. I know church doctrine. I don’t think you do I’ve met all the nice catholic people you describe. I’ve also met the not so nice people you pretend aren’t a large influential part of the Catholic Church. Maybe your state is a wonderland. Travel a bit and see the rest of the world and know what it actually looks like when you are gay
lupire 5y ago
A priest who is going to bars has less time for 1:1 private contact with children....