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>"NSO will thoroughly investigate any credible proof of misuse of its technologies, as we always had, and will shut down the system where necessary." From Wiki

>"NSO will thoroughly investigate any credible proof of misuse of its technologies, as we always had, and will shut down the system where necessary." From Wikipedia: "In October 2018 Citizen Lab reported on the use of NSO software to spy on the inner circle of Jamal Khashoggi just before his murder. Citizen Lab's October report[65] stated, with high confidence, that NSO's Pegasus had been placed on the iPhone of Saudi dissident Omar Abdulaziz, one of Khashoggi's confidantes, months before. Abdulaziz stated that the software revealed Khashoggi's "private criticisms of the Saudi royal family," which according to Abdulaziz "played a major role" in Khashoggi's death.[24] In December 2018, a New York Times investigation concluded that Pegasus software played a role in the Khashoggi's murder, with a friend of Khashoggi stating in a filing that Saudi authorities had used the Israeli-made software to spy on the dissident.[66] NSO CEO Shalev Hulio stated that the company had not been involved in the "terrible murder", but declined to comment on reports that he had personally traveled to the Saudi capital Riyadh for a $55 million Pegasus sale.[14] In June 2020, an investigation by Amnesty International alleged that Moroccan journalist Omar Radi was targeted by the Moroccan government using the Israeli spyware Pegasus. The rights group claimed that the journalist was targeted three times and spied on after his device was infected with an NSO tool. Meanwhile, Amnesty also claimed that the attack came after the NSO group updated their policy in September 2019.[67]" Well I'm reinsured by NSO group's statements and their totally existing moral compass lol.

TechBro8615 5y ago
We can safely assume that “moral products” and “things a Saudi prince would pay $55 million for” are independent sets.
StreamBright 5y ago
Corporations do not have any moral at all. It is always virtue signaling when they pretend they do have.
- zpeti 5y ago
  While broadly I can agree with you, a corporation is still made up of people, and is lead by people. It’s perfectly possible for someone with a backbone to lead a corporation in a moral way.
  - dredmorbius 5y ago
    In which case, it's the people and not the corporate structure itself which are providing that moral guide.
    - Nevermark 5y ago
      Organizations can be moral in two ways: 1. As you note: They are made up of people, usually only a few with the ultimate power. Whatever the legal or organizational structures, human morality is inherited from the decision makers. 2. But also: Aside from the individuals, decision making structures within any organization (or mechanism for that matter) can be set up to align with morality or not. I.e. incentives, metrics, business model alignment, transparency, codes of conduct, etc., can all have significant moral implications. For instance, governments can be designed to be more or less moral. I.e. democracy vs. autocracy. Human's are not a special moral creation. We would not be surprised by aliens with a moral component, even if they are built very differently than us. Look inside a human and you will also find non- or sub-moral components whose configuration enables moral, immoral, or amoral behavior.
      - dredmorbius 5y ago
        In the "can be" vs. "is" argument, a point that's frequently neglected is what's the prevelance of the circumstance argued? How many commercial business corporate entities are explicitly structured with a moral focus as their principle organising principle? Would that even stand up under corporate law in most jurisdictions (e.g., Delaware, where the state supreme court has pretty much upheld the Friedman "shareholder value" mistake)? Because that's what really matters here. I don't follow your final paragraph. Are you arguing that humans are not moral, or that morality isn't a strictly human phenomenon? I'd disagree with the first, generally, and agree with the second. For the second, experiments with animals show innate senses of "fair" and "unfair" as well as group alignment of behaviours, which may not be a moral code, though they seem to me the evolutionary basis of one.
- ManBlanket 5y ago
  Do no evil... Except when it's profitable.

TechBro8615 5y ago

We can safely assume that “moral products” and “things a Saudi prince would pay $55 million for” are independent sets.

StreamBright 5y ago

Corporations do not have any moral at all. It is always virtue signaling when they pretend they do have.

zpeti 5y ago
While broadly I can agree with you, a corporation is still made up of people, and is lead by people. It’s perfectly possible for someone with a backbone to lead a corporation in a moral way.
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  In which case, it's the people and not the corporate structure itself which are providing that moral guide.
  - Nevermark 5y ago
    Organizations can be moral in two ways: 1. As you note: They are made up of people, usually only a few with the ultimate power. Whatever the legal or organizational structures, human morality is inherited from the decision makers. 2. But also: Aside from the individuals, decision making structures within any organization (or mechanism for that matter) can be set up to align with morality or not. I.e. incentives, metrics, business model alignment, transparency, codes of conduct, etc., can all have significant moral implications. For instance, governments can be designed to be more or less moral. I.e. democracy vs. autocracy. Human's are not a special moral creation. We would not be surprised by aliens with a moral component, even if they are built very differently than us. Look inside a human and you will also find non- or sub-moral components whose configuration enables moral, immoral, or amoral behavior.
    - dredmorbius 5y ago
      In the "can be" vs. "is" argument, a point that's frequently neglected is what's the prevelance of the circumstance argued? How many commercial business corporate entities are explicitly structured with a moral focus as their principle organising principle? Would that even stand up under corporate law in most jurisdictions (e.g., Delaware, where the state supreme court has pretty much upheld the Friedman "shareholder value" mistake)? Because that's what really matters here. I don't follow your final paragraph. Are you arguing that humans are not moral, or that morality isn't a strictly human phenomenon? I'd disagree with the first, generally, and agree with the second. For the second, experiments with animals show innate senses of "fair" and "unfair" as well as group alignment of behaviours, which may not be a moral code, though they seem to me the evolutionary basis of one.
ManBlanket 5y ago
Do no evil... Except when it's profitable.