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‘I’m sorry but it’s too late’ a doctor on treating unvaxxed dying Covid patients

jsbdk 5y ago
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kop316 5y ago
Since this is here, I wanted to repost something I shared a few months ago about COVID vaccines (I sincerely hope it helps someone out there). My brothers Mother in Law died due to COVID, and she got COVID a week after her first vaccination (it was one of the two dose vaccines). I do not know the exact circumstances about how she got it, but I got the impression that she and her husband thought they were "okay" just because they got their first dose. You are not out of the woods just because you got your first dose COVID vaccine! It will take time for it to take affect, do your research on it!! This is the study that I first posted that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26224519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26224519
- retrac 5y ago
  I'm very sorry. Unfortunately that is a misunderstanding that has been common. One is most certainly not immediately protected. It's something of a threshold effect, rather suddenly (over a period of some hours to a couple days) you go from very little to a meaningful level of antibodies. This occurs anywhere from some hours to as much as a couple weeks after vaccination. And of course the second dose re-challenge used in most of the vaccines, improves the strength and durability of the immunization. So yes, please give it a few weeks to do its work.
  - occamrazor 5y ago
    The Pfizer trial showed strong effects, on the aggregate level, starting 10-15 days after the first dose. Suggesting that mere hours may be sufficient is at best misleading.
    - retrac 5y ago
      Okay? And the Astrazeneca vaccine shows a detectable level of antibodies and possible protection within 24 hours in some people. There are like a dozen COVID-19 vaccines in use right now, all of which likely have slightly different properties in this regard. Which brings me to the bottom line of my last comment, again. Wait at least several weeks, because there is absolutely no guarantee that would happen for you, or for the particular vaccine you got.
- Justsignedup 5y ago
  Yeah so sorry to hear that. The effectiveness is 2 weeks after the second dose. I hope everyone keeps that in mind And with delta and lambda on the prowl, some strains are becoming vaccine resistant. Stay safe. Wear masks.
  - sharken 5y ago
    Good reminder that the vaccine does not work right away. As for vaccine resistant strains, the status is that vaccines are still effective in dealing with known variants. Here is a study for the Lambda variant and the efficacy of the vaccines. https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210705/Study-says-mRNA-COVID-vaccines-are-effective-against-Lambda-variant.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210705/Study-says-mR...
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fallingfrog 5y ago
The ethics of deciding whether to get vaccinated is different than the ethics of whether to wear a helmet or seatbelt too: if you go without a helmet, you will only hurt yourself, and we can still harvest your organs. So go right ahead. But if you refuse to get vaccinated, you could be responsible for the sickness and possible death of hundreds of strangers. So that is really quite immoral.
- hmsshagatsea 5y ago
  How does not being vaccinated put anyone else’s life in danger? As far as I am aware, the vaccine does not prevent you from getting or spreading it, only reduces the symptoms drastically.
  - fallingfrog 5y ago
    It absolutely does prevent you from getting it and spreading it. That’s the whole point of herd immunity. It’s the point of vaccines in general. How do you think we got rid of smallpox? People got vaccinated, and it died out. Now there is no such thing as smallpox, so nobody even has to get a smallpox vaccine anymore. We won.. There hasn’t been a case of smallpox since 1978. A disease that killed hundreds of millions, and it’s gone forever. We could do the same to covid.
    - matt_heimer 5y ago
      Usually but not always and it depends on the variant. If you still get it then you are less likely to spread it - https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-ri...
    - vokep 5y ago
      But this is not a vaccine, it does not prevent you from getting it and spreading it, its advertised as preventing symptoms from being as bad. It reduces the chance you get/spread it too, but does not prevent.
dublin 5y ago
Scare article. Delta is more communicable, but less dangerous than the original variant. Vaccines aren't magic, and this one for Covid-19 isn't even really a vaccine: According to the FDA and other global health authorities, it is instead an unproven and unapproved gene therapy. While the SARS-Co-V2 virus can indeed be deadly (though usually only with serious comorbidities), you really have to wonder if the very minimal risk to the non-elderly population is worth making permanent and irreversible changes to your DNA that are designed to provoke a lifelong autoimmune response. I've had the virus (so I now have superior natural immunity), but despite it nearly putting me in the hospital, I'm convinced that not risking the "vaccine" was absolutely the right call - YMMV. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this, but the current early evidence indicates that we are already beginning to see a great many people suffering and dying as a result of overactive immune systems and aggravated (or possibly even new) autoimmune conditions. Giving an experimental, unproven gene therapy "vaccine" to this many people (a substantial portion of the world's population) in the midst of an active outbreak (this is a well-known "never do" in epidemiology) was beyond irresponsible - and can probably only be categorized as criminal. THAT is the science.
- fallingfrog 5y ago
  They did controlled double blind studies on thousands of people to verify the safety of the vaccine before releasing it. This is FUD.
  - scohesc 5y ago
    I'm sure they have. What they haven't done is adjust spacetime so that we know what the vaccine could potentially do - a year down the line? two years? We literally do not know. At all. We can make educated guesses. At that point - I'd rather abstain from the jab for now at least until this flu season is over. Feel free to judge me for my personal opinions but I'm not getting it yet. Too early for me. Let everyone else be the guinea pigs.
- ajyey 5y ago
  FUD. Provide sources for your claims.
Tyson5 5y ago
Yeah well my father in law got the vaccine Moderna and died from complications.
- thebruce87m 5y ago
  Care to elaborate?
  - hlieberman 5y ago
    Low effort trolling with a new account.
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Since this is here, I wanted to repost something I shared a few months ago about COVID vaccines (I sincerely hope it helps someone out there). My brothers Mother in Law died due to COVID, and she got COVID a week after her first vaccination (it was one of the two dose vaccines). I do not know the exact circumstances about how she got it, but I got the impression that she and her husband thought they were "okay" just because they got their first dose. You are not out of the woods just because you got your first dose COVID vaccine! It will take time for it to take affect, do your research on it!! This is the study that I first posted that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26224519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26224519

retrac 5y ago
I'm very sorry. Unfortunately that is a misunderstanding that has been common. One is most certainly not immediately protected. It's something of a threshold effect, rather suddenly (over a period of some hours to a couple days) you go from very little to a meaningful level of antibodies. This occurs anywhere from some hours to as much as a couple weeks after vaccination. And of course the second dose re-challenge used in most of the vaccines, improves the strength and durability of the immunization. So yes, please give it a few weeks to do its work.
- occamrazor 5y ago
  The Pfizer trial showed strong effects, on the aggregate level, starting 10-15 days after the first dose. Suggesting that mere hours may be sufficient is at best misleading.
  - retrac 5y ago
    Okay? And the Astrazeneca vaccine shows a detectable level of antibodies and possible protection within 24 hours in some people. There are like a dozen COVID-19 vaccines in use right now, all of which likely have slightly different properties in this regard. Which brings me to the bottom line of my last comment, again. Wait at least several weeks, because there is absolutely no guarantee that would happen for you, or for the particular vaccine you got.
Justsignedup 5y ago
Yeah so sorry to hear that. The effectiveness is 2 weeks after the second dose. I hope everyone keeps that in mind And with delta and lambda on the prowl, some strains are becoming vaccine resistant. Stay safe. Wear masks.
- sharken 5y ago
  Good reminder that the vaccine does not work right away. As for vaccine resistant strains, the status is that vaccines are still effective in dealing with known variants. Here is a study for the Lambda variant and the efficacy of the vaccines. https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210705/Study-says-mRNA-COVID-vaccines-are-effective-against-Lambda-variant.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210705/Study-says-mR...
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fallingfrog 5y ago

The ethics of deciding whether to get vaccinated is different than the ethics of whether to wear a helmet or seatbelt too: if you go without a helmet, you will only hurt yourself, and we can still harvest your organs. So go right ahead. But if you refuse to get vaccinated, you could be responsible for the sickness and possible death of hundreds of strangers. So that is really quite immoral.

hmsshagatsea 5y ago
How does not being vaccinated put anyone else’s life in danger? As far as I am aware, the vaccine does not prevent you from getting or spreading it, only reduces the symptoms drastically.
- fallingfrog 5y ago
  It absolutely does prevent you from getting it and spreading it. That’s the whole point of herd immunity. It’s the point of vaccines in general. How do you think we got rid of smallpox? People got vaccinated, and it died out. Now there is no such thing as smallpox, so nobody even has to get a smallpox vaccine anymore. We won.. There hasn’t been a case of smallpox since 1978. A disease that killed hundreds of millions, and it’s gone forever. We could do the same to covid.
  - matt_heimer 5y ago
    Usually but not always and it depends on the variant. If you still get it then you are less likely to spread it - https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-ri...
  - vokep 5y ago
    But this is not a vaccine, it does not prevent you from getting it and spreading it, its advertised as preventing symptoms from being as bad. It reduces the chance you get/spread it too, but does not prevent.

dublin 5y ago

Scare article. Delta is more communicable, but less dangerous than the original variant. Vaccines aren't magic, and this one for Covid-19 isn't even really a vaccine: According to the FDA and other global health authorities, it is instead an unproven and unapproved gene therapy. While the SARS-Co-V2 virus can indeed be deadly (though usually only with serious comorbidities), you really have to wonder if the very minimal risk to the non-elderly population is worth making permanent and irreversible changes to your DNA that are designed to provoke a lifelong autoimmune response. I've had the virus (so I now have superior natural immunity), but despite it nearly putting me in the hospital, I'm convinced that not risking the "vaccine" was absolutely the right call - YMMV. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this, but the current early evidence indicates that we are already beginning to see a great many people suffering and dying as a result of overactive immune systems and aggravated (or possibly even new) autoimmune conditions. Giving an experimental, unproven gene therapy "vaccine" to this many people (a substantial portion of the world's population) in the midst of an active outbreak (this is a well-known "never do" in epidemiology) was beyond irresponsible - and can probably only be categorized as criminal. THAT is the science.

fallingfrog 5y ago
They did controlled double blind studies on thousands of people to verify the safety of the vaccine before releasing it. This is FUD.
- scohesc 5y ago
  I'm sure they have. What they haven't done is adjust spacetime so that we know what the vaccine could potentially do - a year down the line? two years? We literally do not know. At all. We can make educated guesses. At that point - I'd rather abstain from the jab for now at least until this flu season is over. Feel free to judge me for my personal opinions but I'm not getting it yet. Too early for me. Let everyone else be the guinea pigs.
ajyey 5y ago
FUD. Provide sources for your claims.

Tyson5 5y ago

Yeah well my father in law got the vaccine Moderna and died from complications.

thebruce87m 5y ago
Care to elaborate?
- hlieberman 5y ago
  Low effort trolling with a new account.
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