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I’m bothered by this Pegasus thing, does anyone have a link to the raw data? I don’t like getting an interpretation of something through the news media anymore.

I’m bothered by this Pegasus thing, does anyone have a link to the raw data? I don’t like getting an interpretation of something through the news media anymore. Rather, I don’t trust the news media to provide an accurate or even an honest analysis, and from what I can tell the Pegasus data as it’s called, seems to be something that only the media has access to.

TechBro8615 5y ago
Isn’t the raw data just a list of phone numbers? What would you do with that without further compromising the privacy of the people behind them?
boomboomsubban 5y ago
There are security and privacy reasons not to publicly dump leaks like this, and the distrust of the media should be somewhat offset by multiple outlets analyzing the data separately. That said, I'm unsure how the media could twist "x country spied on y individual." Knowing the types of people being spied on, it should be assumed most people of similar importance are being spied on by someone.
- underseacables 5y ago
  I take your point, but what echoes in my mind is when the Hillary emails were leaked, and people like van Jones were saying no you’re not allowed to look at that, but we the media, we are allowed to look at that. They could redact information, but I lament that my trust in the media is so low that I cannot fully trust it without seeing the raw data myself. Even having that raw data available would give me more confidence in the reporting.
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    If you had access to the data, how would you verify that Durov's number was listed? Then what confidence would that give you? Trusting an anonymous leak more than the media who vetted the data seems misguided.
  - kjaftaedi 5y ago
    What are you going to do with the phone numbers of 50,000 important individuals? What sort of cost-benefit analysis are you doing that makes you think your right to see other people's PII trumps their privacy?
igorzx31 5y ago
The indications are on github if you want to check your phone.
- klyrs 5y ago
  https://github.com/AmnestyTech/investigations/tree/master/2021-07-18_nso https://github.com/AmnestyTech/investigations/tree/master/20...

TechBro8615 5y ago

Isn’t the raw data just a list of phone numbers? What would you do with that without further compromising the privacy of the people behind them?

boomboomsubban 5y ago

There are security and privacy reasons not to publicly dump leaks like this, and the distrust of the media should be somewhat offset by multiple outlets analyzing the data separately. That said, I'm unsure how the media could twist "x country spied on y individual." Knowing the types of people being spied on, it should be assumed most people of similar importance are being spied on by someone.

underseacables 5y ago
I take your point, but what echoes in my mind is when the Hillary emails were leaked, and people like van Jones were saying no you’re not allowed to look at that, but we the media, we are allowed to look at that. They could redact information, but I lament that my trust in the media is so low that I cannot fully trust it without seeing the raw data myself. Even having that raw data available would give me more confidence in the reporting.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  If you had access to the data, how would you verify that Durov's number was listed? Then what confidence would that give you? Trusting an anonymous leak more than the media who vetted the data seems misguided.
- kjaftaedi 5y ago
  What are you going to do with the phone numbers of 50,000 important individuals? What sort of cost-benefit analysis are you doing that makes you think your right to see other people's PII trumps their privacy?

igorzx31 5y ago

The indications are on github if you want to check your phone.

klyrs 5y ago
https://github.com/AmnestyTech/investigations/tree/master/2021-07-18_nso https://github.com/AmnestyTech/investigations/tree/master/20...