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Just allow people the basic freedom to leave the fuck out of this world if they really want to. But no, that would mean one less entity to milk for labor and m

Just allow people the basic freedom to leave the fuck out of this world if they really want to. But no, that would mean one less entity to milk for labor and money.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Yeah, it's funny how no one gives a flying fuck about your suffering and will actively encourage it for their own benefit right up until you start talking about suicide. Of course, 90% of the time that's because they see an opportunity to sell you on a new drug, religion, or ideology.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  Yeah, this bugs me too. We shouldn't be talking about suicide prevention. We should be talking about preventing suffering.
  - axelroze 5y ago
    We can't prevent suffering. Cooperative systems like all sorts of communism don't work because people are by nature lazy and even worse greedy. Everyone maximizes their needs and minimizes their abilities. Hence we are left with competitive systems like contemporary capitalism where pressure to perform and be better than the others directly leads to suffering as inevitably there will be losers. The winners also don't fare much better as well. It is often a Pyrrhic victory. Cursed if you do. Cursed if you don't. And in the end to feel better about ourselves, we the society, tell people it is worth living so they do their stressful job for a few more decades and enjoy a few weeks of free time a week to play Candy Crush on their iPhones they are still paying via installments. But even if looked beyond politics and social organisation perfect prevention of suffering is impossible until medicine reaches some state of seamless merging with (bio)robotics. Ironically the competitive pressure might actually be the way we reach such a state of science. Ray Kurzweil is talking a bit about this in the book about the Singularity.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      > Cooperative systems like all sorts of communism don't work because people are by nature lazy and even worse greedy. A very simplistic take. Human beings lived in cooperative communities for millennia. To a certain extent it wouldn't be unfair to say that our natural state is one of cooperation within a community. It's large scale civilization we haven't figured out how to deal with.
- kmnc 5y ago
  It often seems weird to me that any time a seemingly happy and successful celebrity commits suicide the underlying reasons and especially the mental state at the time are largely brushed away. Everyone is quick to praise them for their success, and be sympathetic to their "struggles" yet no one is willing to dig deep into anything. "Successful" people suicides are incredibly interesting because it forces us to ask the question "were they ever happy?" yet it is a question usually ignored in most post suicide bio films that seem to come out immediately after. There is this idea that suicide has to be treated with quiet respect, and whispers at funerals...we keep ignoring the actual issues and brush suicide off as a "mistake in the moment". Bullshit, anyone who commits suicide has been contemplating it most of their lives.
- derbOac 5y ago
  Or protect themselves liability-wise, or from guilt.

Just allow people the basic freedom to leave the fuck out of this world if they really want to. But no, that would mean one less entity to milk for labor and money.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

Yeah, it's funny how no one gives a flying fuck about your suffering and will actively encourage it for their own benefit right up until you start talking about suicide. Of course, 90% of the time that's because they see an opportunity to sell you on a new drug, religion, or ideology.

nicoburns 5y ago
Yeah, this bugs me too. We shouldn't be talking about suicide prevention. We should be talking about preventing suffering.
- axelroze 5y ago
  We can't prevent suffering. Cooperative systems like all sorts of communism don't work because people are by nature lazy and even worse greedy. Everyone maximizes their needs and minimizes their abilities. Hence we are left with competitive systems like contemporary capitalism where pressure to perform and be better than the others directly leads to suffering as inevitably there will be losers. The winners also don't fare much better as well. It is often a Pyrrhic victory. Cursed if you do. Cursed if you don't. And in the end to feel better about ourselves, we the society, tell people it is worth living so they do their stressful job for a few more decades and enjoy a few weeks of free time a week to play Candy Crush on their iPhones they are still paying via installments. But even if looked beyond politics and social organisation perfect prevention of suffering is impossible until medicine reaches some state of seamless merging with (bio)robotics. Ironically the competitive pressure might actually be the way we reach such a state of science. Ray Kurzweil is talking a bit about this in the book about the Singularity.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    > Cooperative systems like all sorts of communism don't work because people are by nature lazy and even worse greedy. A very simplistic take. Human beings lived in cooperative communities for millennia. To a certain extent it wouldn't be unfair to say that our natural state is one of cooperation within a community. It's large scale civilization we haven't figured out how to deal with.
kmnc 5y ago
It often seems weird to me that any time a seemingly happy and successful celebrity commits suicide the underlying reasons and especially the mental state at the time are largely brushed away. Everyone is quick to praise them for their success, and be sympathetic to their "struggles" yet no one is willing to dig deep into anything. "Successful" people suicides are incredibly interesting because it forces us to ask the question "were they ever happy?" yet it is a question usually ignored in most post suicide bio films that seem to come out immediately after. There is this idea that suicide has to be treated with quiet respect, and whispers at funerals...we keep ignoring the actual issues and brush suicide off as a "mistake in the moment". Bullshit, anyone who commits suicide has been contemplating it most of their lives.
derbOac 5y ago
Or protect themselves liability-wise, or from guilt.