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Don’t underestimate the “Not Invented Here” syndrome for why other carmakers don’t use the vastly better Tesla adapter. This image shows the size difference: h

Don’t underestimate the “Not Invented Here” syndrome for why other carmakers don’t use the vastly better Tesla adapter. This image shows the size difference: https://teslatap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/connector_comparison.jpg https://teslatap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/connector_co...

Someone1234 5y ago
Those same carmakers didn't invent CCS either. So by the same logic they'd be skipping the non-proprietary CCS standard just like the proprietary Tesla one.
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  No, but they’d rather pick a 3rd party standard than acknowledging the value of their main competitor’s innovation.
  - Someone1234 5y ago
    That wasn't the argument you made above.
    - Robotbeat 5y ago
      Being reactionary to a competitor’s approach is absolutely part of NIH. Also, many carmakers were actually involved in the CCS standard. If you want to use a different phrase than "NIH" to more precisely describe this reactionary refusal to use a better technology because your competitor thought it up and you don’t want to look bad by adopting it, that’s okay by me.
jeffbee 5y ago
I'm struggling to see why anyone would give even the smallest fuck about the size of the plug.
- epistasis 5y ago
  Up to a certain size, it doesn't really matter. But anything larger than the tesla one does get increasingly unweildly.
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    Yeah, if you haven’t ever used the alternatives (Chademo or US CCS) and compared to Tesla, it’s hard to grok why it’d be a usability issue.
    - jeffbee 5y ago
      Chademo is ridiculous but also dead and nobody ever has to use it. Most EV owners, most of the time, are charging from the smaller AC J1772 plug at home or at a public charger. Fast DC charging for long trips is now and will remain a minor use case that pretty much nobody cares about, and having to use a slightly larger plug on 1% of your trips is not going to be something people get worked up about.
- feifan 5y ago
  Aesthetics matter to some people. I would be a little more sad if I had to plug in a chunky CCS charger rather than the relatively-small charger Teslas have now. (To be clear, standardizing on CCS is likely a good thing and I'd support it, but, y'know … I'd be a little sadder)

Someone1234 5y ago

Those same carmakers didn't invent CCS either. So by the same logic they'd be skipping the non-proprietary CCS standard just like the proprietary Tesla one.

Robotbeat 5y ago
No, but they’d rather pick a 3rd party standard than acknowledging the value of their main competitor’s innovation.
- Someone1234 5y ago
  That wasn't the argument you made above.
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    Being reactionary to a competitor’s approach is absolutely part of NIH. Also, many carmakers were actually involved in the CCS standard. If you want to use a different phrase than "NIH" to more precisely describe this reactionary refusal to use a better technology because your competitor thought it up and you don’t want to look bad by adopting it, that’s okay by me.

jeffbee 5y ago

I'm struggling to see why anyone would give even the smallest fuck about the size of the plug.

epistasis 5y ago
Up to a certain size, it doesn't really matter. But anything larger than the tesla one does get increasingly unweildly.
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  Yeah, if you haven’t ever used the alternatives (Chademo or US CCS) and compared to Tesla, it’s hard to grok why it’d be a usability issue.
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    Chademo is ridiculous but also dead and nobody ever has to use it. Most EV owners, most of the time, are charging from the smaller AC J1772 plug at home or at a public charger. Fast DC charging for long trips is now and will remain a minor use case that pretty much nobody cares about, and having to use a slightly larger plug on 1% of your trips is not going to be something people get worked up about.
feifan 5y ago
Aesthetics matter to some people. I would be a little more sad if I had to plug in a chunky CCS charger rather than the relatively-small charger Teslas have now. (To be clear, standardizing on CCS is likely a good thing and I'd support it, but, y'know … I'd be a little sadder)