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You could still run many systems just fine on private infrastructure with at most a business-class Internet connection to your office or a colo bill for putting

You could still run many systems just fine on private infrastructure with at most a business-class Internet connection to your office or a colo bill for putting your servers somewhere more central. This didn't magically stop working just because someone got paid a lot of money to do PR for cloud services. By the time you take into account the financial costs and inherent risks of cloud hosting, maybe more things should still run that way than actually do. The practical problem today is that cloud now has so much mindshare, justified or otherwise, that the ecosystem around private hosting is diminished. Finding good people with the required admin skills, good sources of equipment, even good software to run local versions of automation we take for granted in the cloud, can be harder than it used to be. I won't be surprised if in a few years some huge tech firm we all thought had faded into obscurity enjoys a new lease of life by offering a set of locally hosted equivalents to popular cloud services that are also easy to administer and scale but come with a lot more predictability because they run on the customer's own infrastructure.

withinboredom 5y ago
We still use bare-metal at Automattic. All our global-scale admin stuff is open source... it shouldn't be surprising that bash scripts aren't all that interesting. People want it written in Go, with Raft-consensus to think for us humans, running on blockchain.
- ValentineC 5y ago
  Are they published somewhere on https://github.com/Automattic https://github.com/Automattic?
  - withinboredom 5y ago
    No, it all predates git/Github: https://code.svn.wordpress.org/servermattic/README https://code.svn.wordpress.org/servermattic/README If you go up a few levels you can find more interesting things as well... Someone wrote an good tutorial on using it here: https://codeseekah.com/2012/03/19/cross-server-deployment-with-servermattic/ https://codeseekah.com/2012/03/19/cross-server-deployment-wi...
closeparen 5y ago
One big problem with that is the dichotomy between "cloud" and "open source" - people will pay for SaaS but they absolutely balk at paying for licenses.
- Silhouette 5y ago
  In this hypothetical scenario the real money might be in consultancy. "Sure, we can get your organisation set up with OpenNotAWSBecauseTrademarks. Our rates are $20K/consultant/week and we expect to bring a team of 5 for a fortnight." It just has to be a comparable cost and financial structure to how a large organisation trying to escape from cloud lock-in would have otherwise expected to engage their cloud architecture consultants or cloud security red team or other cloud specialists and then you're in the game.
  - closeparen 5y ago
    Technology is a good business because a small labor input can scale to a very large impact. I'm sure there is a place for consultancy but I don't see it winning against "scale" in the long term.
- mr_toad 5y ago
  Licenses are a major PITA when you want to be spinning machines up and down all the time. Some enterprise vendors have pay as you go solutions, but many don’t. I get the impression that some enterprise vendors don’t offer pay as you go solutions because it would put their sales staff out of work, and because they wouldn’t be able to use a “how much can you afford?” pricing model.

withinboredom 5y ago

We still use bare-metal at Automattic. All our global-scale admin stuff is open source... it shouldn't be surprising that bash scripts aren't all that interesting. People want it written in Go, with Raft-consensus to think for us humans, running on blockchain.

ValentineC 5y ago
Are they published somewhere on https://github.com/Automattic https://github.com/Automattic?
- withinboredom 5y ago
  No, it all predates git/Github: https://code.svn.wordpress.org/servermattic/README https://code.svn.wordpress.org/servermattic/README If you go up a few levels you can find more interesting things as well... Someone wrote an good tutorial on using it here: https://codeseekah.com/2012/03/19/cross-server-deployment-with-servermattic/ https://codeseekah.com/2012/03/19/cross-server-deployment-wi...

closeparen 5y ago

One big problem with that is the dichotomy between "cloud" and "open source" - people will pay for SaaS but they absolutely balk at paying for licenses.

Silhouette 5y ago
In this hypothetical scenario the real money might be in consultancy. "Sure, we can get your organisation set up with OpenNotAWSBecauseTrademarks. Our rates are $20K/consultant/week and we expect to bring a team of 5 for a fortnight." It just has to be a comparable cost and financial structure to how a large organisation trying to escape from cloud lock-in would have otherwise expected to engage their cloud architecture consultants or cloud security red team or other cloud specialists and then you're in the game.
- closeparen 5y ago
  Technology is a good business because a small labor input can scale to a very large impact. I'm sure there is a place for consultancy but I don't see it winning against "scale" in the long term.
mr_toad 5y ago
Licenses are a major PITA when you want to be spinning machines up and down all the time. Some enterprise vendors have pay as you go solutions, but many don’t. I get the impression that some enterprise vendors don’t offer pay as you go solutions because it would put their sales staff out of work, and because they wouldn’t be able to use a “how much can you afford?” pricing model.