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I'm not a Liverpool resident but I do live in a UNESCO site myself. I'm glad that they are willing to show they have teeth and pull the status from people who a

I'm not a Liverpool resident but I do live in a UNESCO site myself. I'm glad that they are willing to show they have teeth and pull the status from people who are ignoring their guidelines If we bulldozed the Taj mahal and put a football stadium there, it would rightly be stripped of its status. I don't know why Liverpool thinks they would be special except; > "I find it incomprehensible that Unesco would rather Bramley Moore Dock remain a derelict wasteland, rather than making a positive contribution to the city's future and that of its residents," she said. This isn't a binary decision. Instead of leaving a world heritage site to decay to a point where it's the cheapest place in the city to bulldoze and buolda football stadium, investing in maintaining the area would " make a positive contribution to the city's future" to use their words.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> I don't know why Liverpool thinks they would be special Liverpool culture in general is to see itself as something a bit different to the rest of the UK, and to have a bit of a defiant attitude to authority and what anyone else thinks. There's a lot of historical and political reasons why, some that are still very raw in people's minds. > Instead of leaving a world heritage site to decay to a point where it's the cheapest place in the city to bulldoze and buolda football stadium Right - they should have maintained and used the docks in sympathy with their heritage, rather than just erasing them entirely.
- sprafa 5y ago
  That's the whole point. You can repurpose the buildings within reason, that's what they've done in Porto where I've spent some time. Porto used to have lots of derelict buildings in its Heritage area, they've been rebuilt according to strict rules and it's fine.
- celticninja 5y ago
  which means turning them into more expensive flats, which the majority of residents cannot hope to afford. It has been the case for plenty of others parts of the docks, hide new stuff in old buildings. but there comes a point when you dont need more flats/apartments
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    Part of the reason why they lost the status was the high-rise glass buildings they built. What's in them? If you took that space and put it in buildings in the docks instead they'd be in a better position.
  - maccard 5y ago
    Nobody is claiming that the only thing to put there is flats or apartments (except you). They also don't need to keep all the existing buildings, they just need to retain the character of the area. You can build a new building there as long as it's in keeping.
    - celticninja 5y ago
      Have you been to the docks? They are already filled with bars and restaurants and apartments. Given hospitality as been so badly affected by covid many of those are struggling. They have just recently built Liverpool one for the cities shopping needs. So what else do they out there? Liverpool has few if any skyscrapers, compared to say Manchester. If they want to attract companies the dock buildings don't get them the sort of square footage that a taller building will, so rents have to be higher and are then uncompetitive with e.g Manchester, which is only 25 miles away. Manchester also has 2 football stadiums but neither of them are easily accessible from the city centre, so for other large sporting and entertainment events a stadium on the dock would be much better than the alternatives in the North West.
sprafa 5y ago
lol look at what they are building on the site - http://stadiumdb.com/designs/eng/bramley_moore_dock_stadium http://stadiumdb.com/designs/eng/bramley_moore_dock_stadium Liverpool clearly lost interest in the World Heritage state and decided to go in another direction. Have the cake and eat it too.
- emptyfile 5y ago
  Man that looks sooooo out of place in the middle of the docks.
  - sprafa 5y ago
    it's a monster, Unesco is absolutely right to say that this is not congruent with a world heritage site.. They were also warned multiple times apparently.
- maccard 5y ago
  The worst part of it all is from your link: > s. The lower is directly connected to the dockland architecture, its brickwork being inspired directly by the nearby Stanley Dock. Also, the latticework brick facade would be a loose tribute to Archibald Leitch (whose works include Goodison), sometimes called the father of English stadia. In a later iteration the latticework pattern was simplified and strengthened by Pattern Design. They even made a token effort to be in keeping, and then planned [1] to be the view across the waterfront. Insanity! [0] http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium/bramley_moore_dock_stadium11.jpg http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium... [1] http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium/bramley_moore_dock_stadium09.jpg http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium...

chrisseaton 5y ago

> I don't know why Liverpool thinks they would be special Liverpool culture in general is to see itself as something a bit different to the rest of the UK, and to have a bit of a defiant attitude to authority and what anyone else thinks. There's a lot of historical and political reasons why, some that are still very raw in people's minds. > Instead of leaving a world heritage site to decay to a point where it's the cheapest place in the city to bulldoze and buolda football stadium Right - they should have maintained and used the docks in sympathy with their heritage, rather than just erasing them entirely.

sprafa 5y ago
That's the whole point. You can repurpose the buildings within reason, that's what they've done in Porto where I've spent some time. Porto used to have lots of derelict buildings in its Heritage area, they've been rebuilt according to strict rules and it's fine.
celticninja 5y ago
which means turning them into more expensive flats, which the majority of residents cannot hope to afford. It has been the case for plenty of others parts of the docks, hide new stuff in old buildings. but there comes a point when you dont need more flats/apartments
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  Part of the reason why they lost the status was the high-rise glass buildings they built. What's in them? If you took that space and put it in buildings in the docks instead they'd be in a better position.
- maccard 5y ago
  Nobody is claiming that the only thing to put there is flats or apartments (except you). They also don't need to keep all the existing buildings, they just need to retain the character of the area. You can build a new building there as long as it's in keeping.
  - celticninja 5y ago
    Have you been to the docks? They are already filled with bars and restaurants and apartments. Given hospitality as been so badly affected by covid many of those are struggling. They have just recently built Liverpool one for the cities shopping needs. So what else do they out there? Liverpool has few if any skyscrapers, compared to say Manchester. If they want to attract companies the dock buildings don't get them the sort of square footage that a taller building will, so rents have to be higher and are then uncompetitive with e.g Manchester, which is only 25 miles away. Manchester also has 2 football stadiums but neither of them are easily accessible from the city centre, so for other large sporting and entertainment events a stadium on the dock would be much better than the alternatives in the North West.

sprafa 5y ago

lol look at what they are building on the site - http://stadiumdb.com/designs/eng/bramley_moore_dock_stadium http://stadiumdb.com/designs/eng/bramley_moore_dock_stadium Liverpool clearly lost interest in the World Heritage state and decided to go in another direction. Have the cake and eat it too.

emptyfile 5y ago
Man that looks sooooo out of place in the middle of the docks.
- sprafa 5y ago
  it's a monster, Unesco is absolutely right to say that this is not congruent with a world heritage site.. They were also warned multiple times apparently.
maccard 5y ago
The worst part of it all is from your link: > s. The lower is directly connected to the dockland architecture, its brickwork being inspired directly by the nearby Stanley Dock. Also, the latticework brick facade would be a loose tribute to Archibald Leitch (whose works include Goodison), sometimes called the father of English stadia. In a later iteration the latticework pattern was simplified and strengthened by Pattern Design. They even made a token effort to be in keeping, and then planned [1] to be the view across the waterfront. Insanity! [0] http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium/bramley_moore_dock_stadium11.jpg http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium... [1] http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium/bramley_moore_dock_stadium09.jpg http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/bramley_moore_dock_stadium...