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This moment you see that they are doing PIP like any shitty silicon valley company for the case that your manager does not like you... And in that case, they d

This moment you see that they are doing PIP like any shitty silicon valley company for the case that your manager does not like you... And in that case, they don't care that you are at risk of violence or abuse in your home country .. << You are not on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP).>>

arcticbull 5y ago
This may be contentious but no matter the system, if your manager doesn't like you and decides to kick you out - you're in a tough spot. No PIP system means they just straight-up fire you. PIP system means they let you know you're being fired and give you the chance to quit. Either way you're in a pickle. The only real defense against either is pre-existing political capital. From an HR perspective I'm not sure there's any meaningful way to objectively separate an under-performer from someone whose manager has it out for them. So, I'm kind of with them on this one. If you're going to get fired, then I doubt their sponsorship of your transfer would do you much good - you'd still be forced to return on departure would you not?
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Pro tip: If you're being fired, don't quit. Quitting is on you, firing is on the employer. If you get fired, you're (more?) entitled to benefits and if you feel like it was unjust you have a chance to appeal in court.
  - yadaeno 5y ago
    Keep in mind that you are not obligated to disclose that you were fired to future employers. However your new employer may ask your previous for information which will likely be shared.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      Most big employers in my experience also have a neutral reference policy, meaning they won't opine on your tenure there except to say you worked there, for X dates and $Y salary. You're welcome to solicit a more specific reference from your choice of former coworkers.

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This moment you see that they are doing PIP like any shitty silicon valley company for the case that your manager does not like you... And in that case, they d

by greatgib 5y ago

arcticbull 5y ago
This may be contentious but no matter the system, if your manager doesn't like you and decides to kick you out - you're in a tough spot. No PIP system means they just straight-up fire you. PIP system means they let you know you're being fired and give you the chance to quit. Either way you're in a pickle. The only real defense against either is pre-existing political capital. From an HR perspective I'm not sure there's any meaningful way to objectively separate an under-performer from someone whose manager has it out for them. So, I'm kind of with them on this one. If you're going to get fired, then I doubt their sponsorship of your transfer would do you much good - you'd still be forced to return on departure would you not?
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Pro tip: If you're being fired, don't quit. Quitting is on you, firing is on the employer. If you get fired, you're (more?) entitled to benefits and if you feel like it was unjust you have a chance to appeal in court.
  - yadaeno 5y ago
    Keep in mind that you are not obligated to disclose that you were fired to future employers. However your new employer may ask your previous for information which will likely be shared.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      Most big employers in my experience also have a neutral reference policy, meaning they won't opine on your tenure there except to say you worked there, for X dates and $Y salary. You're welcome to solicit a more specific reference from your choice of former coworkers.