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They literally can wait around and see if anyone dies, according to the supreme court ruling declaring that they have no obligation to protect anyone (in the U.

They literally can wait around and see if anyone dies, according to the supreme court ruling declaring that they have no obligation to protect anyone (in the U.S.). https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...

Thorrez 5y ago
Sure they legally can do that. But a police department's goal shouldn't be do do the minimum necessary without breaking the law. Their goal should be to be as beneficial as reasonably possible.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  I would argue their response shouldn't be to storm in with military flashbangs either, which is a typical response causing serious physical harm - burns, deafness, blindness. I refuse to believe there isn't a middle ground.
  - dustymcp 5y ago
    there is ban guns..
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      I mean I'm totally fine with that, though I'm led to believe this is a fairly contentious issue in American politics haha.
    - 67yzxLKK2TRfiWZ 5y ago
      You mean use guns to steal people's guns?
    - artificialLimbs 5y ago
      If we end up in a situation like in today's Cuba, there would be nothing the people can do to stop the government from doing whatever they like.
      - arcticbull 5y ago
        This is already the case and has been for decades. The army is far, far better equipped than a ragtag band of militia. Individuals with guns would only add to the chaos.
        artificialLimbs 5y ago
        The individual military members are going to have quite the moral quandry about firing on its own people in a free country which was at least attempted to be built on integrity.
        arcticbull 5y ago
        I agree, but also the situation you're describing is no longer a 'free country' so much as anarchy or an attempt at strong-handed rule. I'd liken it much more to the cultural revolution and the tank man.
      - aaron-santos 5y ago
        There is already a tool for that: a General Strike. It's easier to pull off too and brings governments to their knees in weeks if not days.
        artificialLimbs 5y ago
        How is that working out in Hong Kong?
        aaron-santos 5y ago
        I'm not sure why you would conflate a city-wide strike with a general strike. Maybe you could explain that part before I answer.
  - merpnderp 5y ago
    Like what happened in this case? Where they appear to have responded appropriately?

Thorrez 5y ago

Sure they legally can do that. But a police department's goal shouldn't be do do the minimum necessary without breaking the law. Their goal should be to be as beneficial as reasonably possible.

arcticbull 5y ago
I would argue their response shouldn't be to storm in with military flashbangs either, which is a typical response causing serious physical harm - burns, deafness, blindness. I refuse to believe there isn't a middle ground.
- dustymcp 5y ago
  there is ban guns..
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    I mean I'm totally fine with that, though I'm led to believe this is a fairly contentious issue in American politics haha.
  - 67yzxLKK2TRfiWZ 5y ago
    You mean use guns to steal people's guns?
  - artificialLimbs 5y ago
    If we end up in a situation like in today's Cuba, there would be nothing the people can do to stop the government from doing whatever they like.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      This is already the case and has been for decades. The army is far, far better equipped than a ragtag band of militia. Individuals with guns would only add to the chaos.
      - artificialLimbs 5y ago
        The individual military members are going to have quite the moral quandry about firing on its own people in a free country which was at least attempted to be built on integrity.
        arcticbull 5y ago
        I agree, but also the situation you're describing is no longer a 'free country' so much as anarchy or an attempt at strong-handed rule. I'd liken it much more to the cultural revolution and the tank man.
    - aaron-santos 5y ago
      There is already a tool for that: a General Strike. It's easier to pull off too and brings governments to their knees in weeks if not days.
      - artificialLimbs 5y ago
        How is that working out in Hong Kong?
        aaron-santos 5y ago
        I'm not sure why you would conflate a city-wide strike with a general strike. Maybe you could explain that part before I answer.
- merpnderp 5y ago
  Like what happened in this case? Where they appear to have responded appropriately?