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I'm a homicide researcher in Chicago. There were over 4000 shootings and 769 homicides here last year. AFAIK, there were 0 swattings here. So, I don't think it

I'm a homicide researcher in Chicago. There were over 4000 shootings and 769 homicides here last year. AFAIK, there were 0 swattings here. So, I don't think it would be a good idea to set "assume it's a swatting" as the default response to 911 calls for service in response to violent crime. At least for Chicago.

jeffbee 5y ago
How many times did the SWAT team do something useful last year in Chicago?
- modriano 5y ago
  Hundreds. You may be surprised to learn this, but shooters and killers often violently resist being arrested unless they face clearly overwhelming force. A lot of murderers and shooters have been peacefully arrested by CPD tactical officers. You can see the use of force incidents that resulted in complaints here, on the Civilian Office of Police Accountability case portal [0] (although not all of these involve tac officers). You can also see the statistics on rates of use of force in this dashboard [1], and see what counts as use of force (as well as when use of deadly force is authorized) here [2]. It's important that people actually check up on their police departments. Police serve a vital and life-saving role in society, but they have to be actually monitored. Just assuming they're all bad gives cover to the bad ones and discourages good ones from signing up, and as someone who checks, I can tell you that the people most abused by America disproportionately call the police for help, and many of their emergencies are truly harrowing. [0] https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ [1] https://home.chicagopolice.org/statistics-data/data-dashboards/use-of-force-dashboard/ https://home.chicagopolice.org/statistics-data/data-dashboar... [2] https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/G03-02_Use-of-Force_TBD.pdf https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/G0...
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  - someguydave 5y ago
    “ abused by America ” what does this mean?
    - hotcold 5y ago
      It's a cool little rhetorical trick that let's us redirect and spread blame around to everyone.
travisjungroth 5y ago
Too much time on the internet can give people a distorted view of things.
tptacek 5y ago
Say more about homicide research in Chicago? That sounds super interesting. (I'm a software developer in Chicago.)
- dk775 5y ago
  I do the same for another major city, but I actually work for the dept and crunch more than just homicide numbers. Assuming poster isn’t with a dept or maybe city gov, Honestly it’s not that exciting to be on the outside crunching murder numbers. Me and op work in similar jurisdictions, and he seems to have a good grasp on his stuff, so I hope he’s working with the dept. It’s MUCH more interesting to get a job with the dept as they let you run wild on all their data from fleets to police locations, investigations, digital stuff like facial rec etc. most depts need good analysts too in beleaguered cities so go against the grain and join up, you’ll love it. Not to mention the security and benefits. Lot of my work revolves around holding cops more accountable that to me is the most interesting stuff, not crime analysis. Just had a meeting yesterday where the majors were asking me how our team can figure out what aspects of a detectives investigation leads to the maximum likelihood of case closures and identifying the largest factors for example. As much as Twitter/nonprofit/outsider crime analysts have access to open data, some stuff you gotta be on the inside to access let alone move the needle vs. just reporting analysis to followers. Highly encourage anyone reading to consider…
  - modriano 5y ago
    100%. I've largely been focused on implementing recommendations from a PERF report on Chicago homicide investigations [0] after years of attrition in the Bureau of Detectives collided with a massive spike in violent crime (in 2016, following the Laquan McDonald murder). My main projects have centered on developing CPD's capacity for recovering video evidence (mainly CCTV) in homicide and shooting cases, as well as teaching a special detail of detectives how to convert footage from proprietary codecs to standard codecs in a forensically sounds way (so that the footage can actually be viewed by less technologically savvy detectives and assistant state's attorney's). You can view seeking-to-identify focused samples of collected footage on CPD's YouTube channel [1] (although these are not representative of the breadth of footage now collected on each homicide). It's not as polished as LAPD's productions [2], but that's to be expected considering the well developed entertainment and digital media workforce in LA. Although I do want to praise Chicago for it's willingness to make data available publicly. I had been pushing for years to get shooting data posted publicly and we just got that added to the data portal in May [3]. Additionally, the Cook County State's Attorneys Office puts a lot of their case data on the CCSAO data portal [4]. These are only a tiny fraction of the tables in CPD's or CCSAO's respective data warehouses, but as far as public data ecosystems go, Chicago's is the least bad I've worked with of major US cities. Working with LAPD's or NYPD's open data is a real pain. [0] https://home.chicagopolice.org/homicideclearancereport2019/ https://home.chicagopolice.org/homicideclearancereport2019/ [1] https://youtube.com/c/ChicagoPoliceNews https://youtube.com/c/ChicagoPoliceNews [2] https://youtube.com/c/LAPDONLINE1 https://youtube.com/c/LAPDONLINE1 [3] https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Violence-Reduction-Victims-of-Homicides-and-Non-Fa/gumc-mgzr https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Violence-Reduct... [4] https://datacatalog.cookcountyil.gov/browse?tags=state%27s+attorney+case-level&sortBy=most_accessed https://datacatalog.cookcountyil.gov/browse?tags=state%27s+a...
underdown 5y ago
I assume you mean deaths from swattings. There are swattings every year in Chicago.

jeffbee 5y ago

How many times did the SWAT team do something useful last year in Chicago?

modriano 5y ago
Hundreds. You may be surprised to learn this, but shooters and killers often violently resist being arrested unless they face clearly overwhelming force. A lot of murderers and shooters have been peacefully arrested by CPD tactical officers. You can see the use of force incidents that resulted in complaints here, on the Civilian Office of Police Accountability case portal [0] (although not all of these involve tac officers). You can also see the statistics on rates of use of force in this dashboard [1], and see what counts as use of force (as well as when use of deadly force is authorized) here [2]. It's important that people actually check up on their police departments. Police serve a vital and life-saving role in society, but they have to be actually monitored. Just assuming they're all bad gives cover to the bad ones and discourages good ones from signing up, and as someone who checks, I can tell you that the people most abused by America disproportionately call the police for help, and many of their emergencies are truly harrowing. [0] https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ https://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/ [1] https://home.chicagopolice.org/statistics-data/data-dashboards/use-of-force-dashboard/ https://home.chicagopolice.org/statistics-data/data-dashboar... [2] https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/G03-02_Use-of-Force_TBD.pdf https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/G0...
- deleted 5y ago
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- someguydave 5y ago
  “ abused by America ” what does this mean?
  - hotcold 5y ago
    It's a cool little rhetorical trick that let's us redirect and spread blame around to everyone.

travisjungroth 5y ago

Too much time on the internet can give people a distorted view of things.

tptacek 5y ago

Say more about homicide research in Chicago? That sounds super interesting. (I'm a software developer in Chicago.)

dk775 5y ago
I do the same for another major city, but I actually work for the dept and crunch more than just homicide numbers. Assuming poster isn’t with a dept or maybe city gov, Honestly it’s not that exciting to be on the outside crunching murder numbers. Me and op work in similar jurisdictions, and he seems to have a good grasp on his stuff, so I hope he’s working with the dept. It’s MUCH more interesting to get a job with the dept as they let you run wild on all their data from fleets to police locations, investigations, digital stuff like facial rec etc. most depts need good analysts too in beleaguered cities so go against the grain and join up, you’ll love it. Not to mention the security and benefits. Lot of my work revolves around holding cops more accountable that to me is the most interesting stuff, not crime analysis. Just had a meeting yesterday where the majors were asking me how our team can figure out what aspects of a detectives investigation leads to the maximum likelihood of case closures and identifying the largest factors for example. As much as Twitter/nonprofit/outsider crime analysts have access to open data, some stuff you gotta be on the inside to access let alone move the needle vs. just reporting analysis to followers. Highly encourage anyone reading to consider…
- modriano 5y ago
  100%. I've largely been focused on implementing recommendations from a PERF report on Chicago homicide investigations [0] after years of attrition in the Bureau of Detectives collided with a massive spike in violent crime (in 2016, following the Laquan McDonald murder). My main projects have centered on developing CPD's capacity for recovering video evidence (mainly CCTV) in homicide and shooting cases, as well as teaching a special detail of detectives how to convert footage from proprietary codecs to standard codecs in a forensically sounds way (so that the footage can actually be viewed by less technologically savvy detectives and assistant state's attorney's). You can view seeking-to-identify focused samples of collected footage on CPD's YouTube channel [1] (although these are not representative of the breadth of footage now collected on each homicide). It's not as polished as LAPD's productions [2], but that's to be expected considering the well developed entertainment and digital media workforce in LA. Although I do want to praise Chicago for it's willingness to make data available publicly. I had been pushing for years to get shooting data posted publicly and we just got that added to the data portal in May [3]. Additionally, the Cook County State's Attorneys Office puts a lot of their case data on the CCSAO data portal [4]. These are only a tiny fraction of the tables in CPD's or CCSAO's respective data warehouses, but as far as public data ecosystems go, Chicago's is the least bad I've worked with of major US cities. Working with LAPD's or NYPD's open data is a real pain. [0] https://home.chicagopolice.org/homicideclearancereport2019/ https://home.chicagopolice.org/homicideclearancereport2019/ [1] https://youtube.com/c/ChicagoPoliceNews https://youtube.com/c/ChicagoPoliceNews [2] https://youtube.com/c/LAPDONLINE1 https://youtube.com/c/LAPDONLINE1 [3] https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Violence-Reduction-Victims-of-Homicides-and-Non-Fa/gumc-mgzr https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Violence-Reduct... [4] https://datacatalog.cookcountyil.gov/browse?tags=state%27s+attorney+case-level&sortBy=most_accessed https://datacatalog.cookcountyil.gov/browse?tags=state%27s+a...

underdown 5y ago

I assume you mean deaths from swattings. There are swattings every year in Chicago.