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i dunno but "swatting" seems like a decidedly american thing so how come its not a problem in other countries?

perl4ever 5y ago
You're asking this on an American-centric forum, secure in the knowledge most Americans aren't paying attention to issues with the police in other countries.
- katbyte 5y ago
  no i'm responding to someone acting like "there is no other way to handle this" who's clearly not considered that other countries handle it rather differently
  - unishark 5y ago
    The person saying there was no way to handle it differently was talking about the specific case in this article where we know the details and can consider each of the police's actions logically using common sense.
mcguire 5y ago
What happens in your country when the police receive an anonymous phone call about a violent crime in progress at a residence?
- skinkestek 5y ago
  For whatever reason I very rarely hear about swat-like behavior from the Norwegian police, and it is not because media leave them alone. I hear about unnecessary use of force while detaining someone, a few standoffs against armed opponents, a few car chases but nothing like swatting.
  - spfzero 5y ago
    There was no “swat like behavior”. There was no unnecessary use of force. At least that’s my reading.
- toadi 5y ago
  Not by sending a SWAT team.... https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Belgium/United-States/Crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Belgium/Un... Here you can see we have more crime per 1000 then America. But we have significant less gun crimes and/or violent crimes then US. Also violent crime with murder and murder crime. 1 more trivia item is that we actually have more police officers per capita then America. Not sure what to conclude. Gun restrictions seem not to curb crime but seems to curb violent crimes and murders. Or maybe we are just less violent :) I'm not sure. But what I can conclude is that our Police doesn't have to go many times to violent crime scenes and when they go the chance someone is armed with a gun even less likely....
  - darksaints 5y ago
    Best I can tell, violent crime has an extremely high correlation with poverty and/or corruption, and little to no correlation with gun restrictions. The presence of extreme outliers is telling. For example, Iceland, Switzerland, Austria, and Norway have high gun ownership rates and relatively relaxed gun regulation, but low violent crime. Venezuela, Mexico, China, and Vietnam have strong firearms restrictions and terrible violent crime rates.
    - aaronbrethorst 5y ago
      Nothing about this story about Iceland's high rate of gun ownership and low rate of violence says "relaxed gun regulation" to me: https://globalnews.ca/news/4236365/iceland-gun-control-violence/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4236365/iceland-gun-control-viole...
      - darksaints 5y ago
        Very few countries can compete with the US on the ease with which one can buy a firearm, so if that is your standard, sure. But compared to most of the world, that process is pretty damn relaxed, and gun ownership rates are pretty high as a result. And in some selected ways, those countries are even more relaxed: silencers can be purchased over the counter without a permit, and there is no regulatory distinction between short barrel and long barrel rifles. And in some (albeit regulated) cases even modern full-auto rifles can be owned, which isn't even possible in the US...where the newest full auto gun that a civilian can buy was made in 1986 and likely costs >$25k.
- onion2k 5y ago
  Here in the UK the police attend. They're armed with tasers only (and some don't have those). They're trained to deescalate violence. If they assess the situation is bad enough they can call in armed backup but it's rarely needed.
- fogihujy 5y ago
  Depends. Would it be Thursday between 09:00 and 16:00? If so they'd have someone here in 25 minutes. If not, it'd take something like an hour until someone turned up and asked if I wanted to make a report.
RalfWausE 5y ago
Here in germany it depends... if the dispatcher has serious doubts regarding the validity of the call he might simply tell the kid on the phone to "f... off", if there is something sounding valid you might -depending on the region- get either a "visit" from local police or directly from the SEK (the german version of SWAT). But... the SEK has a relative good track record on capturing the subjected fellons alive.

You're asking this on an American-centric forum, secure in the knowledge most Americans aren't paying attention to issues with the police in other countries.

katbyte 5y ago
no i'm responding to someone acting like "there is no other way to handle this" who's clearly not considered that other countries handle it rather differently
- unishark 5y ago
  The person saying there was no way to handle it differently was talking about the specific case in this article where we know the details and can consider each of the police's actions logically using common sense.

mcguire 5y ago

What happens in your country when the police receive an anonymous phone call about a violent crime in progress at a residence?

skinkestek 5y ago
For whatever reason I very rarely hear about swat-like behavior from the Norwegian police, and it is not because media leave them alone. I hear about unnecessary use of force while detaining someone, a few standoffs against armed opponents, a few car chases but nothing like swatting.
- spfzero 5y ago
  There was no “swat like behavior”. There was no unnecessary use of force. At least that’s my reading.
toadi 5y ago
Not by sending a SWAT team.... https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Belgium/United-States/Crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Belgium/Un... Here you can see we have more crime per 1000 then America. But we have significant less gun crimes and/or violent crimes then US. Also violent crime with murder and murder crime. 1 more trivia item is that we actually have more police officers per capita then America. Not sure what to conclude. Gun restrictions seem not to curb crime but seems to curb violent crimes and murders. Or maybe we are just less violent :) I'm not sure. But what I can conclude is that our Police doesn't have to go many times to violent crime scenes and when they go the chance someone is armed with a gun even less likely....
- darksaints 5y ago
  Best I can tell, violent crime has an extremely high correlation with poverty and/or corruption, and little to no correlation with gun restrictions. The presence of extreme outliers is telling. For example, Iceland, Switzerland, Austria, and Norway have high gun ownership rates and relatively relaxed gun regulation, but low violent crime. Venezuela, Mexico, China, and Vietnam have strong firearms restrictions and terrible violent crime rates.
  - aaronbrethorst 5y ago
    Nothing about this story about Iceland's high rate of gun ownership and low rate of violence says "relaxed gun regulation" to me: https://globalnews.ca/news/4236365/iceland-gun-control-violence/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4236365/iceland-gun-control-viole...
    - darksaints 5y ago
      Very few countries can compete with the US on the ease with which one can buy a firearm, so if that is your standard, sure. But compared to most of the world, that process is pretty damn relaxed, and gun ownership rates are pretty high as a result. And in some selected ways, those countries are even more relaxed: silencers can be purchased over the counter without a permit, and there is no regulatory distinction between short barrel and long barrel rifles. And in some (albeit regulated) cases even modern full-auto rifles can be owned, which isn't even possible in the US...where the newest full auto gun that a civilian can buy was made in 1986 and likely costs >$25k.
onion2k 5y ago
Here in the UK the police attend. They're armed with tasers only (and some don't have those). They're trained to deescalate violence. If they assess the situation is bad enough they can call in armed backup but it's rarely needed.
fogihujy 5y ago
Depends. Would it be Thursday between 09:00 and 16:00? If so they'd have someone here in 25 minutes. If not, it'd take something like an hour until someone turned up and asked if I wanted to make a report.

RalfWausE 5y ago

Here in germany it depends... if the dispatcher has serious doubts regarding the validity of the call he might simply tell the kid on the phone to "f... off", if there is something sounding valid you might -depending on the region- get either a "visit" from local police or directly from the SEK (the german version of SWAT). But... the SEK has a relative good track record on capturing the subjected fellons alive.