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I went googling and found this: A study at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine has demonstrated that sudden emotional stress can result in reversible he

I went googling and found this: A study at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine has demonstrated that sudden emotional stress can result in reversible heart failure[1]. It goes on "a traumatic event such as a breakup, the death of a loved one, or even the shock of a surprise party can provoke a heart attack in people who don't have heart disease and are otherwise healthy, researchers say". and "Dr. Wittstein and his research team found that some people may respond to sudden, overwhelming emotional stress by releasing large amounts of adrenalin and other chemicals into the blood stream. These chemicals can be temporarily toxic to the heart, effectively stunning the muscle and producing symptoms similar to those of a typical heart attack: chest pain, fluid in the lungs, shortness of breath and heart failure. However, there are no further similarities between "broken heart" syndrome and cardiac arrest. Closer inspection using blood tests and magnetic resonance imaging scans failed to show the typical heart attack signs, such as irreversible muscle damage and elevated levels of certain enzymes." If that happened, it would have been avoidable; it doesn't necessarily mean he was sickly and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. (Aside: I wonder if anyone here would think comparable things of the organizers of a surprise party, 16 years after it's published in a medical journal that they can be fatal? What if the birthay person was known to hate surprise parties? Anyone calling for a death penalty or years in prison?) [1] https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2005/03/sudden-shock-can-lead-to-heart-attack-81296 https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2005/03/sudden-shock-c...

michaelmrose 5y ago
I meant the cops aren't necessarily at fault as the unavoidable stress of such a confrontation might have inevitably ended in a difficult to predict or mitigate health complications. Swatting has a predictable risk of mortality thus the criminals don't get off morally because their victim died a different way than expected.
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  > "because their victim died a different way than expected." I haven't seen a claim that the perpetrators expected the man to die - didn't they want to harass and scare him until he gave up his Twitter handle? If he was dead they'd have no chance of getting access to it, therefore they likely were not planning for him to die, right?
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    They were ok risking him being killed in order to obtain the expected benefit. If you beat someone killing them is a predictable risk. It constitutes merely a lesser crime in the same category.
    - jodrellblank 5y ago
      I am not agreeable to the claim that minors who called a SWAT raid internationally because of a Twitter account were really forseeing all the possible consequences and rationally deciding they were OK with them. I'm also not okay with you claiming a militarised police force SWAT raid was "unavoidable".
      - unishark 5y ago
        I don't see anywhere people are saying it was actually SWAT or any kind of "raid". It was simply a bunch of cops according to the family members in the video. They did not enter his house, they merely approached it. He appears to live in a rural area.
        michaelmrose 5y ago
        Swatting is used to mean calling the authorities with a fake crisis so subject people at the address targeted to risk and inconvenience it has nothing to do with the resulting police response. If Barney Fife showed up to kindly ask you if you were ok you would have been swatted just not very effectively.
        jodrellblank 5y ago
        > "I don't see anywhere people are saying it was actually SWAT or any kind of "raid"." The article uses this picture: https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2019/03/2019-03-30-image-11-j.webp https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2019/03/20... Google reverse image search for that suggests a search term of "fbi swat team" and first result is a wikipedia link to "FBI Special Weapons and Tactics Teams". The picture is from the Wikipedia page on swatting which says it is "an FBI SWAT team during training". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

michaelmrose 5y ago

I meant the cops aren't necessarily at fault as the unavoidable stress of such a confrontation might have inevitably ended in a difficult to predict or mitigate health complications. Swatting has a predictable risk of mortality thus the criminals don't get off morally because their victim died a different way than expected.

jodrellblank 5y ago
> "because their victim died a different way than expected." I haven't seen a claim that the perpetrators expected the man to die - didn't they want to harass and scare him until he gave up his Twitter handle? If he was dead they'd have no chance of getting access to it, therefore they likely were not planning for him to die, right?
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  They were ok risking him being killed in order to obtain the expected benefit. If you beat someone killing them is a predictable risk. It constitutes merely a lesser crime in the same category.
  - jodrellblank 5y ago
    I am not agreeable to the claim that minors who called a SWAT raid internationally because of a Twitter account were really forseeing all the possible consequences and rationally deciding they were OK with them. I'm also not okay with you claiming a militarised police force SWAT raid was "unavoidable".
    - unishark 5y ago
      I don't see anywhere people are saying it was actually SWAT or any kind of "raid". It was simply a bunch of cops according to the family members in the video. They did not enter his house, they merely approached it. He appears to live in a rural area.
      - michaelmrose 5y ago
        Swatting is used to mean calling the authorities with a fake crisis so subject people at the address targeted to risk and inconvenience it has nothing to do with the resulting police response. If Barney Fife showed up to kindly ask you if you were ok you would have been swatted just not very effectively.
      - jodrellblank 5y ago
        > "I don't see anywhere people are saying it was actually SWAT or any kind of "raid"." The article uses this picture: https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2019/03/2019-03-30-image-11-j.webp https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2019/03/20... Google reverse image search for that suggests a search term of "fbi swat team" and first result is a wikipedia link to "FBI Special Weapons and Tactics Teams". The picture is from the Wikipedia page on swatting which says it is "an FBI SWAT team during training". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting