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> rarely a day goes by that I don't question how Microsoft manages to get anyone to buy that steaming pile they call an operating system. "But muh games!"

by chungy 5y ago

gameswithgo 5y ago
yeah maybe instead of making fun of that major industry other operating systems should treat it as an opportunity to gain market share.
- pfraze 5y ago
  SteamDeck is particularly interesting because of how much it is tackling that industry head-on. From the perspective of a mobile gaming console, the fact that it’s a PC is awesome. From the perspective of advancing gaming on Linux, it’s even more exciting
puzzlingcaptcha 5y ago
Yeah, 'cause the incredible fragmentation of Linux GUI toolkits and windowing systems is so fun to deal with. Year of Linux on the Desktop when.
- chungy 5y ago
  Just take a look at the Windows desktop versus Linux desktop. The Windows desktop is far more fragmented and discongruous. With Linux, the main difference is whether your desktop is primarily Qt or GTK. Sometimes an app using the other toolkit will look kind of funny, but most of those differences are paved over by any competent distro (eg: Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE...).
- blooalien 5y ago
  > Year of Linux on the Desktop when. Couple decades ago for me. > Yeah, 'cause the incredible fragmentation of Linux GUI toolkits and windowing systems is so fun to deal with. Sounds like probably "never" for you. You seem hostile toward Linux, so you're probably better off sticking with whatever you use currently.
  - gnubison 5y ago
    I don’t think calling GP “hostile to Linux” after they critiqued one part of the ecosystem is very fair. All systems have their flaws, and if judging part of a system negatively makes you hostile to that system, then I guess Linus Torvalds is hostile to Linux too.
    - blooalien 5y ago
      I no longer care. None of it matters one little bit anyhow.
- motogpjimbo 5y ago
  There are two windowing systems on Linux - the old one and the new one. GUI toolkits are irrelevant to games.
notriddle 5y ago
Yeah, this but unironically. The Windows filesystem has dismal performance. The Windows graphics stack is arguably better than Linux’s. And it’s not just the drivers, so you can’t just blame it on GPU vendors, though poor support from a certain popular GPU vendor definitely doesn’t help. Some of it is just the little things, like doing mouse movement at very high priority in kernel space [1] [2]. Other parts are bigger and more impressive, like allowing the graphics driver to crash/upgrade/restart without you also losing all of your open windows. [1]: https://reactos.org/wiki/Techwiki:Win32k/desktops#win32k.21ProcessMouseInput https://reactos.org/wiki/Techwiki:Win32k/desktops#win32k.21P... [2]: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20061117-03/?p=28973 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20061117-03/?p=28...

> rarely a day goes by that I don't question how Microsoft manages to get anyone to buy that steaming pile they call an operating system. "But muh games!"

by chungy 5y ago

> rarely a day goes by that I don't question how Microsoft manages to get anyone to buy that steaming pile they call an operating system. "But muh games!"

gameswithgo 5y ago

yeah maybe instead of making fun of that major industry other operating systems should treat it as an opportunity to gain market share.

pfraze 5y ago
SteamDeck is particularly interesting because of how much it is tackling that industry head-on. From the perspective of a mobile gaming console, the fact that it’s a PC is awesome. From the perspective of advancing gaming on Linux, it’s even more exciting

puzzlingcaptcha 5y ago

Yeah, 'cause the incredible fragmentation of Linux GUI toolkits and windowing systems is so fun to deal with. Year of Linux on the Desktop when.

chungy 5y ago
Just take a look at the Windows desktop versus Linux desktop. The Windows desktop is far more fragmented and discongruous. With Linux, the main difference is whether your desktop is primarily Qt or GTK. Sometimes an app using the other toolkit will look kind of funny, but most of those differences are paved over by any competent distro (eg: Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE...).
blooalien 5y ago
> Year of Linux on the Desktop when. Couple decades ago for me. > Yeah, 'cause the incredible fragmentation of Linux GUI toolkits and windowing systems is so fun to deal with. Sounds like probably "never" for you. You seem hostile toward Linux, so you're probably better off sticking with whatever you use currently.
- gnubison 5y ago
  I don’t think calling GP “hostile to Linux” after they critiqued one part of the ecosystem is very fair. All systems have their flaws, and if judging part of a system negatively makes you hostile to that system, then I guess Linus Torvalds is hostile to Linux too.
  - blooalien 5y ago
    I no longer care. None of it matters one little bit anyhow.
motogpjimbo 5y ago
There are two windowing systems on Linux - the old one and the new one. GUI toolkits are irrelevant to games.

notriddle 5y ago

Yeah, this but unironically. The Windows filesystem has dismal performance. The Windows graphics stack is arguably better than Linux’s. And it’s not just the drivers, so you can’t just blame it on GPU vendors, though poor support from a certain popular GPU vendor definitely doesn’t help. Some of it is just the little things, like doing mouse movement at very high priority in kernel space [1] [2]. Other parts are bigger and more impressive, like allowing the graphics driver to crash/upgrade/restart without you also losing all of your open windows. [1]: https://reactos.org/wiki/Techwiki:Win32k/desktops#win32k.21ProcessMouseInput https://reactos.org/wiki/Techwiki:Win32k/desktops#win32k.21P... [2]: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20061117-03/?p=28973 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20061117-03/?p=28...