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I wonder if they'll ever understand the people they're trying to protect are actually the victims in their actions. They hack Sony. Sony loses millions. How do

I wonder if they'll ever understand the people they're trying to protect are actually the victims in their actions. They hack Sony. Sony loses millions. How do you think they're going to recapture their loses? By passing the loss onto consumers. Increased prices for TV's, games, anything Sony makes is going to increase in price to recoup their loses. Clearly they haven't thought this all the way through.

Vivtek 15y ago
Oh come on. People said the same damn thing about every activist in history. "Don't anger Sony because they'll only make prices higher for everybody!" Yes. Their costs will be higher, so economically they'll either take less profit or have higher prices. Then they will be at a disadvantage in the marketplace. At some point the cold equations of economics will dictate that they either change their ways or die.
- darksaga 15y ago
  It has nothing to do with activist history - this how economics works. What happened to the price of gas when there was a disaster in the gulf of Mexico? Oh yeah, gas prices went up and up and up. Who really paid for the disaster? BP or us the consumer? It's not like one day their TV's are $300, and then overnight they're $1000. All they have to do is edge the price up moderately over time to make back their losses. But in the end, the result is the same. The loss and increased cost is passed on to the consumer. Also, when you're talking two or three dollar differences in prices compared to other companies. Sony owns a large portion of the gaming industry. It's not like there's 10 console makers. Choice is limited, so your point about "cold equations of economics" unfortunately doesn't hold true in this case. My point stands - when large corporations lose money, it's normal for businesses to pass the loss of revenue onto consumers.
  - Vivtek 15y ago
    Well, and I say this in the nicest possible way, no shit. Yes. Of course they do. What else can they do? Is the answer then never to worry an executive, or should it be to speak to them in the only language that can ever reach a corporation: make it less profitable for them to act like assholes? The cost of assholery at the corporations is also passed on to the consumer - and everybody else on the planet - it may simply not be in absolute dollars and cents in purchase price. But we all end up paying. Incidentally, gas prices have nothing to do with the disaster in the Gulf, and everything to do with (1) what the market will bear, (2) increased consumption in BRIC nations, and (3) profit-taking and commodity games. The oil companies, including BP, have made more money in the past year than they ever have. So they're not passing the price of disaster on; they're simply taking whatever they can grab because they know nobody is ever going to try to worry a corporation for fear they might not hire somebody. Like they will anyway. Gah. Probably too much grar here. I'm going to go lie down.
Ives 15y ago
If Sony's prizes rise, other companies will sell more TV's. The market for TV's is a decent one as far as I know.
ddw 15y ago
So if the Montgomery public transit system went down in 1955, it was the protestors' fault?
ohashi 15y ago
Buy a different brand. It's not like Sony is the only company producing tvs.
badclient 15y ago
Only of you believe myriad of attacks such as the Boston Tea Party were not well thought out. In the short-term, they may have a negative impact on the general population. But the goal by many such actions is very longterm and seemingly worth the temporary raise in price etc. in the eyes of the protestors.
- nerfhammer 15y ago
  Why do they get to decide what's a good tradeoff for the general population?
  - badclient 15y ago
    They don't, which is why they are often arrested. They are given permission by society retroactively after the events have transpired and the ends justify the means. And when they are not given permission because they could not justify the actions, they are further punished just as any unlawful person would be.
  - danssig 15y ago
    Why did Boston Tea Partiests? I'm sure there were plenty of cowards like yourself complaining about upsetting the King.
bluedanieru 15y ago
I fail to see how forcing Sony to raise their prices or take less in profits doesn't achieve their goals? It isn't like you're forced to buy only Sony's already over-priced and poorly-built shit.
- TheCondor 15y ago
  What were the goals?
  - jokermatt999 15y ago
    Lash out at Sony for prosecuting GeoHot, right?
grecy 15y ago
Clearly you have not thought through the idea that you simply don't need to buy any of that crap. I submit you don't actually need to buy anything that Sony makes.
danssig 15y ago
What would you suggest then? There is no way to hurt the powerful without effecting the powerless. Should nothing ever be done then? If we followed that line of "reason" we'd still be the property of Kings.

Vivtek 15y ago

Oh come on. People said the same damn thing about every activist in history. "Don't anger Sony because they'll only make prices higher for everybody!" Yes. Their costs will be higher, so economically they'll either take less profit or have higher prices. Then they will be at a disadvantage in the marketplace. At some point the cold equations of economics will dictate that they either change their ways or die.

darksaga 15y ago
It has nothing to do with activist history - this how economics works. What happened to the price of gas when there was a disaster in the gulf of Mexico? Oh yeah, gas prices went up and up and up. Who really paid for the disaster? BP or us the consumer? It's not like one day their TV's are $300, and then overnight they're $1000. All they have to do is edge the price up moderately over time to make back their losses. But in the end, the result is the same. The loss and increased cost is passed on to the consumer. Also, when you're talking two or three dollar differences in prices compared to other companies. Sony owns a large portion of the gaming industry. It's not like there's 10 console makers. Choice is limited, so your point about "cold equations of economics" unfortunately doesn't hold true in this case. My point stands - when large corporations lose money, it's normal for businesses to pass the loss of revenue onto consumers.
- Vivtek 15y ago
  Well, and I say this in the nicest possible way, no shit. Yes. Of course they do. What else can they do? Is the answer then never to worry an executive, or should it be to speak to them in the only language that can ever reach a corporation: make it less profitable for them to act like assholes? The cost of assholery at the corporations is also passed on to the consumer - and everybody else on the planet - it may simply not be in absolute dollars and cents in purchase price. But we all end up paying. Incidentally, gas prices have nothing to do with the disaster in the Gulf, and everything to do with (1) what the market will bear, (2) increased consumption in BRIC nations, and (3) profit-taking and commodity games. The oil companies, including BP, have made more money in the past year than they ever have. So they're not passing the price of disaster on; they're simply taking whatever they can grab because they know nobody is ever going to try to worry a corporation for fear they might not hire somebody. Like they will anyway. Gah. Probably too much grar here. I'm going to go lie down.

Ives 15y ago

If Sony's prizes rise, other companies will sell more TV's. The market for TV's is a decent one as far as I know.

ddw 15y ago

So if the Montgomery public transit system went down in 1955, it was the protestors' fault?

ohashi 15y ago

Buy a different brand. It's not like Sony is the only company producing tvs.

badclient 15y ago

Only of you believe myriad of attacks such as the Boston Tea Party were not well thought out. In the short-term, they may have a negative impact on the general population. But the goal by many such actions is very longterm and seemingly worth the temporary raise in price etc. in the eyes of the protestors.

nerfhammer 15y ago
Why do they get to decide what's a good tradeoff for the general population?
- badclient 15y ago
  They don't, which is why they are often arrested. They are given permission by society retroactively after the events have transpired and the ends justify the means. And when they are not given permission because they could not justify the actions, they are further punished just as any unlawful person would be.
- danssig 15y ago
  Why did Boston Tea Partiests? I'm sure there were plenty of cowards like yourself complaining about upsetting the King.

bluedanieru 15y ago

I fail to see how forcing Sony to raise their prices or take less in profits doesn't achieve their goals? It isn't like you're forced to buy only Sony's already over-priced and poorly-built shit.

TheCondor 15y ago
What were the goals?
- jokermatt999 15y ago
  Lash out at Sony for prosecuting GeoHot, right?

grecy 15y ago

Clearly you have not thought through the idea that you simply don't need to buy any of that crap. I submit you don't actually need to buy anything that Sony makes.

danssig 15y ago

What would you suggest then? There is no way to hurt the powerful without effecting the powerless. Should nothing ever be done then? If we followed that line of "reason" we'd still be the property of Kings.