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While I agree with removing FTP support, I also agree that phrasing is pretty disgusting.

by hnarn 5y ago

jrochkind1 5y ago
Especially because "The FTP protocol itself has been disabled by default since version 88", so any user that hadn't opted in to FTP protocol already had the "benefit" of the "security enhancement", no? But, hey, if you are not yet a FF user, here's where you can download it, in case you're looking for a browser that... lacks FTP support. Something many users are likely to be seeking out.
- krylon 5y ago
  To be fair, most non-technical users have no clue what FTP is. Twenty years ago, some non-technical people knew, because a lot of downloading was going on involving FTP servers, but that was... well, twenty years ago. I do not see the benefit of removing FTP. For security concerns, a big warning as with expired TLS certificates would be an acceptable compromise, IMHO. But as someone who knows what FTP is and still uses it on occasion, I don't think FF dropping FTP support is going to impact me very much.
  - jrochkind1 5y ago
    I too agree with the comment I was replying to, "While I agree with removing FTP support", but the marketing-speak is still notable. I don't think anyone who hasn't heard of FTP is seeking out a browser that specifically does not support it.
TAForObvReasons 5y ago
Describing ads ("sponsored tiles") as "user-enhancing" is arguably worse. https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504 https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  7 years, wow. Is that the oldest example of Mozilla selling out?
- thewakalix 5y ago
  https://archive.vn/eawIS https://archive.vn/eawIS
wlesieutre 5y ago
We'd be even more secure if they took away HTTP and HTTPS support
- josteink 5y ago
  With us all being secured from Gopher already, that’s all that remains to establish a 100% secure browser.
  - antisol 5y ago
    Mozilla have been working hard on that for years now. Haven't you been watching their market share? One day they'll get to their holy grail of 0 users and no security problems.
- xg15 5y ago
  Way ahead of you: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/04/30/deprecating-non-secure-http/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/04/30/deprecating-non...

While I agree with removing FTP support, I also agree that phrasing is pretty disgusting.

by hnarn 5y ago

While I agree with removing FTP support, I also agree that phrasing is pretty disgusting.

Especially because "The FTP protocol itself has been disabled by default since version 88", so any user that hadn't opted in to FTP protocol already had the "benefit" of the "security enhancement", no? But, hey, if you are not yet a FF user, here's where you can download it, in case you're looking for a browser that... lacks FTP support. Something many users are likely to be seeking out.

krylon 5y ago
To be fair, most non-technical users have no clue what FTP is. Twenty years ago, some non-technical people knew, because a lot of downloading was going on involving FTP servers, but that was... well, twenty years ago. I do not see the benefit of removing FTP. For security concerns, a big warning as with expired TLS certificates would be an acceptable compromise, IMHO. But as someone who knows what FTP is and still uses it on occasion, I don't think FF dropping FTP support is going to impact me very much.
- jrochkind1 5y ago
  I too agree with the comment I was replying to, "While I agree with removing FTP support", but the marketing-speak is still notable. I don't think anyone who hasn't heard of FTP is seeking out a browser that specifically does not support it.

TAForObvReasons 5y ago

Describing ads ("sponsored tiles") as "user-enhancing" is arguably worse. https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504 https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504

alisonkisk 5y ago
7 years, wow. Is that the oldest example of Mozilla selling out?
thewakalix 5y ago
https://archive.vn/eawIS https://archive.vn/eawIS

wlesieutre 5y ago

We'd be even more secure if they took away HTTP and HTTPS support

josteink 5y ago
With us all being secured from Gopher already, that’s all that remains to establish a 100% secure browser.
- antisol 5y ago
  Mozilla have been working hard on that for years now. Haven't you been watching their market share? One day they'll get to their holy grail of 0 users and no security problems.
xg15 5y ago
Way ahead of you: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/04/30/deprecating-non-secure-http/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/04/30/deprecating-non...