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> If not, please understand the position I'm coming from first. This doesn't change anything I said. Nor change the fact that your attitude is part of the prob

> If not, please understand the position I'm coming from first. This doesn't change anything I said. Nor change the fact that your attitude is part of the problem. You are not unique in your point of view, but having that point of view doesn't mean your opinions are immediately valid. > I do not make this observation as one uninitiated. But you are. You are just an observer. You are not a SW yourself. > I write with the weight of a decade of contact with these people If that's true, then it should come as no surprise that there are more people in your position that disagree with your attitude. Otherwise, you don't know as much as you think you do. Edit: In fact, I'll say that by using your position to push the narrative that what your wife does is "ugly and violent," you are doing more to support the idea that people should treat those like her in an "ugly and violent" way. If you don't respect what she does, why should others?

emptysongglass 5y ago
I encourage you to read and listen to the stories of sex workers who are speaking their experience directly. Here's a former sex worker I really like on TikTok who is part of a wave of Gen Z'ers who are pushing back on the narrative that sex work is somehow liberating, good, or healthy. [1] [1] https://www.tiktok.com/@profitfromtrauma/video/6926281617094888710?sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=6969801357680117254&is_from_webapp=v1&is_copy_url=0 https://www.tiktok.com/@profitfromtrauma/video/6926281617094...
- jasonlotito 5y ago
  > I encourage you to read and listen to the stories of sex workers who are speaking their experience directly. I could say the same thing to you. Because I have. I've been doing it for 20+ years now. But also because you literally admit to ignoring sex workers. You can't just pick and choose those that support your narrative. I'm done with this conversation. It's clear you aren't interesting in having a real discussion, and just pushing an agenda while at the same time insulting your friends, your wife, and ignoring the people you pretend to support.
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    > But also because you literally admit to ignoring sex workers. You can't just pick and choose those that support your narrative. I never admitted to this, anywhere. In fact, I stated I've been listening for the last decade. Sex workers, especially women, experience extraordinary levels of violence, daily. [1] Sex work is violent, one of the most violent professions in the world. My father used to drive prostitutes between their appointments to keep them safe because the level of danger to their person was so high. This is in Denmark, one of the safest countries in the world to live in. My friend who works as a domme in the Bay Area was stalked and physically harassed for a year by one particularly obsessive client. I don't appreciate you using accusatory language to describe me or my relationship to my wife or friends. I never did anything of the sort to you, so please treat me with respect. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2725271/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2725271/

emptysongglass 5y ago

I encourage you to read and listen to the stories of sex workers who are speaking their experience directly. Here's a former sex worker I really like on TikTok who is part of a wave of Gen Z'ers who are pushing back on the narrative that sex work is somehow liberating, good, or healthy. [1] [1] https://www.tiktok.com/@profitfromtrauma/video/6926281617094888710?sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=6969801357680117254&is_from_webapp=v1&is_copy_url=0 https://www.tiktok.com/@profitfromtrauma/video/6926281617094...

jasonlotito 5y ago
> I encourage you to read and listen to the stories of sex workers who are speaking their experience directly. I could say the same thing to you. Because I have. I've been doing it for 20+ years now. But also because you literally admit to ignoring sex workers. You can't just pick and choose those that support your narrative. I'm done with this conversation. It's clear you aren't interesting in having a real discussion, and just pushing an agenda while at the same time insulting your friends, your wife, and ignoring the people you pretend to support.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  > But also because you literally admit to ignoring sex workers. You can't just pick and choose those that support your narrative. I never admitted to this, anywhere. In fact, I stated I've been listening for the last decade. Sex workers, especially women, experience extraordinary levels of violence, daily. [1] Sex work is violent, one of the most violent professions in the world. My father used to drive prostitutes between their appointments to keep them safe because the level of danger to their person was so high. This is in Denmark, one of the safest countries in the world to live in. My friend who works as a domme in the Bay Area was stalked and physically harassed for a year by one particularly obsessive client. I don't appreciate you using accusatory language to describe me or my relationship to my wife or friends. I never did anything of the sort to you, so please treat me with respect. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2725271/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2725271/