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I hope people have better dreams. That is my dream.

RIMR 5y ago
For real, people straight up fetishize the experience of "going to space", but the reality is that you're crammed in stinky tin can for a while, and eat preserved food. The real magic of human spaceflight for me is the science that is done up there. Sending a bunch of untrained rich people into space for the fun of it is not especially inspiring. The idea of getting crammed like sardines into a giant rocket so I can experience this with the masses is just not a great dream.
- Ajedi32 5y ago
  Space is inspiring to a lot of people because it represents both the the peak of human achievement, and humanity's future. Space is the final frontier; the next logical step in humankind's unending quest to explore the universe. For me personally? I just want to mess around in 0G for a day or two. That seems like it'd be a rather unique experience; well worth a few thousand bucks and a couple hours packed shoulder to shoulder in a ship with a thousand other people.
- mam3 5y ago
  If you cant dream beyond what you eat and the distance you can go in each direction its totally fine but dont impose it to other people
AtlasBarfed 5y ago
I actually think space tourism for the rich is very important. We are entering an age of global techno oligarchy I want my masters to see the earth from space. Get a feel for the stakes, see the delicate ribbon of air, the vastness of space. See it as the rare jewel we spent a short time on, and the obligation to treat it well
- rurp 5y ago
  I don't know why this is being downvoted since it makes total sense to me. It's not a good thing that the mega rich have an absurd amount of power over society, but it's a fact for the foreseeable future. There is precedent for people becoming much more conscientious about the planet after returning from space, so it's certainly possible that billionaires playing with rockets will have some positive second order effects.
  - peatmoss 5y ago
    It is indeed a phenomenon that others have experienced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_effect
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Most of the folks who've been up so far are military and science oriented folks; there's a bit of an existing tendency to think in that direction. I'm not sure the personality required to become a billionaire is necessarily going to result in the same feelings looking at Earth from orbit. "It's small, I want to own the others" might be the Bezos response.
      - peatmoss 5y ago
        Perhaps, but I think that’s speculation based in cynicism. By the same reasoning, wouldn’t a military person look down and say, “I want to subjugate the others by force?” I’m more inclined to believe that there is something intrinsically profound in seeing all the known life in the universe in one field of view. I also am inclined to believe that billionaires are just the world’s most wealth-atypical people, not the world’s most neuro-atypical people, and thus would respond in the typical way to the overview. But maybe that’s an optimism bias on my part.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        There are indications psychopathy is substantially more common in CEOs than the general population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace I'm inclined to consider the Neil Armstrongs of the world more service-oriented than subjugation-oriented, as a general impression of their careers as astronauts.
aerovistae 5y ago
Oh man, struggling to channel dang here. How to respond constructively. Probably the best thing to do is flag and ignore, but I can't pass this up. If people are interested in going somewhere, who are you to denigrate their ambitions? What is wrong with dreaming of orbiting the planet? How does that dream fall short? Is it a weak dream for a midwestern child, landlocked a thousand miles in every direction, to want to see the ocean? Is it a weak dream for a city child, blocked by light pollution, to want to see the stars? What kind of comment is this? What does it even mean to have a "better" dream?
- lostlogin 5y ago
  Oxfam’s Deepak Xavier vented about the billionaire-hobbies issue early this week. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaires-blast-space-billions-suffer-planet-earth https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaires-blast-s...
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- colordrops 5y ago
  Everyone is required to fix the worlds problems before doing anything else. At least that is how the thinking goes, which is absurd in most cases. Though there is some nuance here considering Bezos' absolute detestable behavior climbing on the backs of abused workers to get to this point. It's an old story, as expressed by Dr. Seuss in his story Yertle the Turtle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yertle_the_Turtle_and_Other_Stories#%E2%80%9CYertle_the_Turtle%E2%80%9D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yertle_the_Turtle_and_Other_St...
  - unfunco 5y ago
    Maybe Jeffrey Bezos will return a changed man and give his warehouse staff proper piss bottles instead of used drinking water bottles.
- zzzeek 5y ago
gameswithgo 5y ago
i hope people quit being insufferable downers
RobRivera 5y ago
where's the steering committee for quality of dreams? I am still waiting on feedback for my dream of a loving family and no more nightmares.

RIMR 5y ago

For real, people straight up fetishize the experience of "going to space", but the reality is that you're crammed in stinky tin can for a while, and eat preserved food. The real magic of human spaceflight for me is the science that is done up there. Sending a bunch of untrained rich people into space for the fun of it is not especially inspiring. The idea of getting crammed like sardines into a giant rocket so I can experience this with the masses is just not a great dream.

Ajedi32 5y ago
Space is inspiring to a lot of people because it represents both the the peak of human achievement, and humanity's future. Space is the final frontier; the next logical step in humankind's unending quest to explore the universe. For me personally? I just want to mess around in 0G for a day or two. That seems like it'd be a rather unique experience; well worth a few thousand bucks and a couple hours packed shoulder to shoulder in a ship with a thousand other people.
mam3 5y ago
If you cant dream beyond what you eat and the distance you can go in each direction its totally fine but dont impose it to other people

AtlasBarfed 5y ago

I actually think space tourism for the rich is very important. We are entering an age of global techno oligarchy I want my masters to see the earth from space. Get a feel for the stakes, see the delicate ribbon of air, the vastness of space. See it as the rare jewel we spent a short time on, and the obligation to treat it well

rurp 5y ago
I don't know why this is being downvoted since it makes total sense to me. It's not a good thing that the mega rich have an absurd amount of power over society, but it's a fact for the foreseeable future. There is precedent for people becoming much more conscientious about the planet after returning from space, so it's certainly possible that billionaires playing with rockets will have some positive second order effects.
- peatmoss 5y ago
  It is indeed a phenomenon that others have experienced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_effect
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Most of the folks who've been up so far are military and science oriented folks; there's a bit of an existing tendency to think in that direction. I'm not sure the personality required to become a billionaire is necessarily going to result in the same feelings looking at Earth from orbit. "It's small, I want to own the others" might be the Bezos response.
    - peatmoss 5y ago
      Perhaps, but I think that’s speculation based in cynicism. By the same reasoning, wouldn’t a military person look down and say, “I want to subjugate the others by force?” I’m more inclined to believe that there is something intrinsically profound in seeing all the known life in the universe in one field of view. I also am inclined to believe that billionaires are just the world’s most wealth-atypical people, not the world’s most neuro-atypical people, and thus would respond in the typical way to the overview. But maybe that’s an optimism bias on my part.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        There are indications psychopathy is substantially more common in CEOs than the general population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace I'm inclined to consider the Neil Armstrongs of the world more service-oriented than subjugation-oriented, as a general impression of their careers as astronauts.

aerovistae 5y ago

Oh man, struggling to channel dang here. How to respond constructively. Probably the best thing to do is flag and ignore, but I can't pass this up. If people are interested in going somewhere, who are you to denigrate their ambitions? What is wrong with dreaming of orbiting the planet? How does that dream fall short? Is it a weak dream for a midwestern child, landlocked a thousand miles in every direction, to want to see the ocean? Is it a weak dream for a city child, blocked by light pollution, to want to see the stars? What kind of comment is this? What does it even mean to have a "better" dream?

lostlogin 5y ago
Oxfam’s Deepak Xavier vented about the billionaire-hobbies issue early this week. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaires-blast-space-billions-suffer-planet-earth https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaires-blast-s...
- deleted 5y ago
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colordrops 5y ago
Everyone is required to fix the worlds problems before doing anything else. At least that is how the thinking goes, which is absurd in most cases. Though there is some nuance here considering Bezos' absolute detestable behavior climbing on the backs of abused workers to get to this point. It's an old story, as expressed by Dr. Seuss in his story Yertle the Turtle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yertle_the_Turtle_and_Other_Stories#%E2%80%9CYertle_the_Turtle%E2%80%9D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yertle_the_Turtle_and_Other_St...
- unfunco 5y ago
  Maybe Jeffrey Bezos will return a changed man and give his warehouse staff proper piss bottles instead of used drinking water bottles.
zzzeek 5y ago

gameswithgo 5y ago

i hope people quit being insufferable downers

RobRivera 5y ago

where's the steering committee for quality of dreams? I am still waiting on feedback for my dream of a loving family and no more nightmares.