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Sorry to intrude with an ignorant question, but I know next to nothing about this and it sparked my curiosity. These thousands of dollars in documents are the t

Sorry to intrude with an ignorant question, but I know next to nothing about this and it sparked my curiosity. These thousands of dollars in documents are the text descriptions/instructions of various ISO standards? Do they really cost that much or am I misinterpreting? Wouldn't their content have been pirated by now if they were so expensive? (assuming i'm correctly imagining what you said)

slashdot2008 5y ago
I challenge you to find a pirated copy of IEC 61362 "Guide to specification of hydraulic turbine governing systems" online. It does not exist. The company I used to work for, which specialized in turbine governing systems costing millions of dollars, would not pay the $300 for that document.
- lstamour 5y ago
  As pointed out in another comment and previously on HN, my new favourite source for specs are regional English translations from Estonia. Here’s one for IEC 61362 for 22 EUR: https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-61362-2012 https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-61362-2012
- exmadscientist 5y ago
  > It does not exist Sure does! First line from a random page (44) of 61362:2012: "...the runner blade opening is brought to a certain position to provide a given flow rate after load..."
- helloworld11 5y ago
  They wouldn't pay $300 for it because the price is too high or because they don't need it? If their specialty makes them need the document, why would they not pay $300? I'm curious.
rwj 5y ago
If you are in this type of business, you probably also get regular audits. Checking that you have access to the relevant standards is something that ends up checked from time to time. Pirated copies will do more harm then good when that time arrives.
- exmadscientist 5y ago
  Standards of questionable origin are fine when an engineer just needs to check something and the result is not critical. (Have you seen how many standards are called out in a simple specification document for something as mundane as a resistor? Don't tell me IEC 60757 is really worth owning!) Managers don't even have to know these standards exist. Anything you claim compliance or certification with, though... that's your core business we're talking about! At least buy those from Estonia!

slashdot2008 5y ago

I challenge you to find a pirated copy of IEC 61362 "Guide to specification of hydraulic turbine governing systems" online. It does not exist. The company I used to work for, which specialized in turbine governing systems costing millions of dollars, would not pay the $300 for that document.

lstamour 5y ago
As pointed out in another comment and previously on HN, my new favourite source for specs are regional English translations from Estonia. Here’s one for IEC 61362 for 22 EUR: https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-61362-2012 https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-61362-2012
exmadscientist 5y ago
> It does not exist Sure does! First line from a random page (44) of 61362:2012: "...the runner blade opening is brought to a certain position to provide a given flow rate after load..."
helloworld11 5y ago
They wouldn't pay $300 for it because the price is too high or because they don't need it? If their specialty makes them need the document, why would they not pay $300? I'm curious.

rwj 5y ago

If you are in this type of business, you probably also get regular audits. Checking that you have access to the relevant standards is something that ends up checked from time to time. Pirated copies will do more harm then good when that time arrives.

exmadscientist 5y ago
Standards of questionable origin are fine when an engineer just needs to check something and the result is not critical. (Have you seen how many standards are called out in a simple specification document for something as mundane as a resistor? Don't tell me IEC 60757 is really worth owning!) Managers don't even have to know these standards exist. Anything you claim compliance or certification with, though... that's your core business we're talking about! At least buy those from Estonia!