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Yes, and Tesla also made sure that all the other road users around those 1000 beta testers opted in to being part of a development project. So all good.

by czzr 5y ago

rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
I've lived in Paris for 15+ years, where many drivers are worst than FSD. I've watched hours of beta on Youtube. I never opted in, either. Many human drivers don't care about cyclists safety: they overtake at high speed, sometimes within centimeters, and occasionally force us to change course or hit us (and don't stop to help unless we don't get up). Yet, we don't make such drivers take an exam to check their skills/behavior because they passed one many years ago. I'd like to know how many accidents have happened with FSD before we slow down self-driving (instead of the opinion of consumer groups who've always sided against this technology). Otherwise, we should put dangerous drivers out of the road _now_. We rarely do, even after they hit pedestrians or cyclists while texting, so I prefer we focus on improving driver assist systems and focus on actual accidents (instead of Tesla brushing against bushes).
- Gravityloss 5y ago
  You should have a camera and report those drivers to police.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
    I did! Multiple times, including one where I was hit from behind at high speed, injured, the driver stopped and left without helping. I file a claim ("contre X") at the police station and gave them the license plate (which they also heard when I called 911 right after it happened). This went nowhere, because the police was overwhelmed (that was during the gilets jaunes movement, and the police was busy going after people for destruction of public properties... priority, priority...)
simondotau 5y ago
You drive around every day on roads with learners, unroadworthy vehicles with bald tyres, and the occasional angry psycho driving a stolen car. You didn't opt into any of that either.
- xvector 5y ago
  Not exactly a good argument for Tesla. All of those ought to be illegal too, perhaps with the exception of learners out of necessity.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    That wasn't an argument defending Tesla or an argument for what ought to be illegal. It was merely an argument against the silly notion that other drivers on the road didn't "opt in" to this. Of course they didn't "opt in"—because that's not how roads work. You share the road with a huge variety of different vehicles, being controlled in a huge variety of different ways. There's no "opt in" for any of it.

Yes, and Tesla also made sure that all the other road users around those 1000 beta testers opted in to being part of a development project. So all good.

by czzr 5y ago

Yes, and Tesla also made sure that all the other road users around those 1000 beta testers opted in to being part of a development project. So all good.

rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago

I've lived in Paris for 15+ years, where many drivers are worst than FSD. I've watched hours of beta on Youtube. I never opted in, either. Many human drivers don't care about cyclists safety: they overtake at high speed, sometimes within centimeters, and occasionally force us to change course or hit us (and don't stop to help unless we don't get up). Yet, we don't make such drivers take an exam to check their skills/behavior because they passed one many years ago. I'd like to know how many accidents have happened with FSD before we slow down self-driving (instead of the opinion of consumer groups who've always sided against this technology). Otherwise, we should put dangerous drivers out of the road _now_. We rarely do, even after they hit pedestrians or cyclists while texting, so I prefer we focus on improving driver assist systems and focus on actual accidents (instead of Tesla brushing against bushes).

Gravityloss 5y ago
You should have a camera and report those drivers to police.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
  I did! Multiple times, including one where I was hit from behind at high speed, injured, the driver stopped and left without helping. I file a claim ("contre X") at the police station and gave them the license plate (which they also heard when I called 911 right after it happened). This went nowhere, because the police was overwhelmed (that was during the gilets jaunes movement, and the police was busy going after people for destruction of public properties... priority, priority...)

simondotau 5y ago

You drive around every day on roads with learners, unroadworthy vehicles with bald tyres, and the occasional angry psycho driving a stolen car. You didn't opt into any of that either.

xvector 5y ago
Not exactly a good argument for Tesla. All of those ought to be illegal too, perhaps with the exception of learners out of necessity.
- simondotau 5y ago
  That wasn't an argument defending Tesla or an argument for what ought to be illegal. It was merely an argument against the silly notion that other drivers on the road didn't "opt in" to this. Of course they didn't "opt in"—because that's not how roads work. You share the road with a huge variety of different vehicles, being controlled in a huge variety of different ways. There's no "opt in" for any of it.