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> there are mental health costs that are often not talked about On the contrary, everyone is talking about mental costs, implying that they do not know what th

by stared 5y ago

> there are mental health costs that are often not talked about On the contrary, everyone is talking about mental costs, implying that they do not know what they are doing. I know a person who changed her work from being a cashier at a supermarket to a sex worker. Mentally, she benefited a lot. In one job, she felt like an automaton serving people. I other she had personal relationships with her clients. You can guess which is which. Or another one, also from a sex worker: "We don’t ask the barista, the plumber, or the mail person whether they really like their job as a measure of whether their industry should be criminalised. Imagine criminalising the whole clothing industry because of bad working conditions in some factories. Or health care. No, we understand that people who work under bad conditions need labour rights. That that is going to help them much more than criminalising their jobs. Why is this so difficult to understand when it comes to the sex industry?" https://web.archive.org/web/20200220124433/http://rosieheart.com/i-love-sex-work-should-not-matter/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200220124433/http://rosieheart... To make it clear - yes, there are risks, short and long-term. I guess some underestimate long-term risks (e.g. revealing one's face online, which is a point of no return; or if they ever do unprotected sex). Yet, "sex workers don't know what they are doing" is a patronizing approach.

emptysongglass 5y ago
My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usually it's just singulars as imperatives), cum, then leave. She's started keeping a list of clients who say thank you. Almost none. The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs. Mostly what they're getting is trauma that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
- belorn 5y ago
  I don't see how you are replying to the above comment. When has ever an exploited work force been thanked for their job? When there exist no labor protection, the traditional approach when someone died on the job was to replace them with a new desperate person. Livestock in, livestock out. Becoming a sex worker today in most countries is like becoming a coal miner of old. The only thing that matter is what you produce, and if you get hurt you will be replaced by someone just as desperate.
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    > I don't see how you are replying to the above comment. When has ever an exploited work force been thanked for their job? You are narrowly focusing on a single sentence from a larger rebuttal to the notion that sex work is a healthier pursuit for women than retail.
- hnbad 5y ago
  I don't think it's reasonable to say that "the far left" encourages young girls to get into sex work but there is a real problem of leftist takes on sex work often being overly positive by overcorrecting for the generally negative attitudes of SWERFs (sex work exclusive radical feminists) and religious conservatives, who are seen as trying to criminalize sex work and promote policies directly harming sex workers (see the recent "human trafficking" bills in the US). The problem of SWERFs and conservatives harming sex workers is real, but sex work naturally comes with a vulnerability that its defenders often fail to acknowledge. Sex work is inevitable and decriminalizing does seem to help sex workers more than trying to criminalize it but the failure of progressives is that they try to defend sex work but don't put the sex workers themselves front and center in the discussion of if and how it should be regulated and how they can be protected. All work under capitalism is exploitative and all work that involves emotional labor (e.g. all service work) can be particularly damaging, but sex work is its own separate beast and requires a lot more care than either side of the political spectrum is willing to admit. A purely class based lens (nor a lens based entirely on rational economics of "voluntary financial transactions) is incapable of fully appreciating the dynamics of sex work because a lot of the problems stem from other systems of oppression (sexism, racism, etc) and their potential for harm is multiplied by the vulnerable nature of the profession. I think Mexie's recent video[0] on this issue is a good explanation from a radical leftist perspective that is critical of sex work while supportive of sex workers and generally still sex positive. For a more moderate (and IMO more approachable) leftist analysis still informed by the experience of actual sex workers rather than abstract arguments I can recommend Philosophy Tube's video[1] on the topic. The video doesn't express a clear opinion on the question of sex work but I think it provides a good overview of the problems and the problems with their various "solutions". [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3Pe8k-gDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3Pe8k-gDM [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU
  - leppr 5y ago
    Can anyone who downvoted comment on the reasons? I actually found this post insightful and particularly level-headed so I'm curious if it's something I've missed.
- Xylakant 5y ago
  I’m sorry for your wife. However, I think it’s dangerous to shape the conversation about sex work solely around such cases. A person from my old flat share was a nurse on a terminal cancer ward for mostly children. > 90% of the patients died. They burned out within two years on the job. My aunt had to quit her job as hospital nurse because it physically ruined her body. She’s still suffering from that, decades later. A friend of mine spent his (then mandatory) social service caring for a quadriplegic person who deliberately tried to destroy my friend mentally, sort of their revenge for what happened to them. It took less than half a year for my friend to end up in stationary therapy, due to risk of self-harm and suicide. Yet, we don’t discuss these cases in terms of “being a nurse is a ruinous job. It needs to be banned.” - nor should we. Those cases need to be discussed in terms of “how can we ensure these jobs are safe and receive the support needed.” I believe that making sex work illegal and driving it back underground is not helping that conversation.
  - newsclues 5y ago
    Two anecdote from different sides of the spectrum and you feel the one you disagree with is dangerous. Just because normal jobs suck, doesn’t mean sex work is good.
    - Xylakant 5y ago
      I feel it’s dangerous shaping conversations around individual anecdotes. I can tell you multiple positive anecdotes from the nursing side as well. Another friend of mine did long-term individual care for a disabled person and they got along extremely well, even traveling and such. That friend considered that his dream job. My father’s current partner volunteers at a hospice. She considers that an important part of her social work. There’s sex workers talking on public record about how liberating that was to them. What I’m saying is that deriving policy from anecdotes is dangerous.
      - newsclues 5y ago
        You seemed to focus only only positive anecdotes, and then claim the negative ones are dangerous. Anyone can cherry pick data and present a few cases to support their world view.
- tomp 5y ago
  > The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible This cannot be true. Anyone can find ample porn online (definitely enough to cum) for free. Therefore it follows that people engaging with OnlyFans and other paid-for porn services must be getting something else out of it - the illusion of an intimate (two-way) relationship, the feeling of dominance (uttering commands that the performers then act out), novelty (a bit far-fetched, there's almost certainly more free porn online than anyone can watch in a lifetime, except maybe extremely niche interests...), or something else...
  - throwdiscussion 5y ago
    I'm not so sure that novelty is far fetched, speaking from my own experiences. My porn tastes are not fully mainstream, but not far off the path either. You can definitely hit a point where it feels like every clip that matches your interests is one you've seen before. Every actor is one you've seen before. When visiting Pornhub or similar I noticed myself going straight for the "sort by newest" option more often. And that's why I went to Chaturbate for the first time, because it's live video I've never seen before. Chaturbate and other live cam sites have their own issues...the two-way stuff can be pretty creepy in both directions. But it is always fresh video and that is its own attraction, even with what seems like an endless sea of porn available.
    - burner4534 5y ago
      Glad you mentioned Chaturbate. I'm a consumer, but haven't the courage to log in or contribute yet! Whenever I get overdosed with women beating up on male sexuality, or the perpetual discussion of how awful and exploitative porn is, I know I can go to Chaturbate. I'll find lots of happy smiling people. On the couples page, young good looking couples, rightly proud of their skills, are having the sex we should all be having. Women are getting pleasured as much as men, by and large. Some might find the practices disgusting, but the practitioners don't seem to. Apart from perhaps the full-timers, I don't see much social-influencer preening. It's more spontaneous, plus preening in a bedroom setting seems less about vanity and more about getting yourself properly rogered. If we're having more and better sex, and it certainly looks like it, we probably have porn and the pill, and now chat sites to thank. Goodness, only a few decades ago we needed Alex Comfort to tell us that oral sex was alright. In particular, hope this isn't the dirty old man speaking, women (especially but not only on Chaturbate) seem to have thrown off the yoke of an imposed modesty, and seem not to be missing it much. I'm sure there are problems, and abuse, but I wish this and other hand-wringing discussions would start from the premise that if we are having more and freer sex, that's a good thing, and that men and women, despite all the problems, are made for each other.
- Telemakhos 5y ago
  This isn't going to be a welcome question or politically correct, but why do you let your wife continue to engage in something that is "majority trauma" and that makes her need therapy?
  - NateEag 5y ago
    At a guess, because his wife is a human and gets to make her own decisions?
    - Telemakhos 5y ago
      There was a time when family members intervened when they saw loved ones engaging in self-harm. This husband is watching his wife expose herself to trauma so great that she feels compelled to seek therapy, a therapy provided by the same corporation that is profiting off her trauma. The easy conclusion is that the corporation provides this therapy to keep the traumatized people who drive the company's profits from quitting the trauma, which would be the obvious solution. Loving someone does not mean supporting their every decision, especially when everyone involved seems to realize that the decision is harmful.
      - anotherman554 5y ago
        "There was a time when family members intervened when they saw loved ones engaging in self-harm." Some people would call removing you loved one's agency to make their own decisions abuse.
        MillenialMan 5y ago
        Those people are stuck in a legalistic framework that privileges labels above reality.
        monkeybutton 5y ago
        I agree that the question further up did come off as rather paternalistic in a bad way but their central point has merit: by continuing to support his wife's decision to work in that environment, doesn't that make him an enabler for the abuse?
- zapdrive 5y ago
  This comment has to be sarcasm, gaslighting or sattire. I mean really? Does your wife's boyfriend approve of her sex work too? And the whole "thank you" entitlement. Lol. Shouldn't she be the one for thanking her clients. That's usually how it works in real life sex work.
- throwawaysw123 5y ago
  My best friend is a cam model and could really use therapy, but she has no insurance. What cam site provides therapy? My friend works for MFC, and is a "contractor", not an employee.
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    Can you give me a method of contacting you? Can be a throwaway email.
    - throwawaysw123 5y ago
      gdrew686 at gmail dot com Thanks so much. Its awesome to know there is a site that cares enough about their models to provide support for therapy.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs. No, it hasn't. The far left is anti-capitalist, and includes both pro-and-anti-sex-work factions; the attitude you describe is more that of the pro-sex-work portion of the pro-(possibly somewhat tamed)-capitalism center-to-center-left. The pro-sex-work portion of the anti-capitalist (including far) left sees sex work largely as just work, and agrees with many of the (not explicitly gender-based) popular arguments about harms associated with sex work as accurate of sex work within a capitalist system, but not as particular too sex work, but rather as endemic to labor within capitalism.
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    I wouldn't describe the far left today as having anything to do with its foundations. What I've observed is a political group largely held together with an obsessive compulsion to root out any element not in line with its own brand of correct thought, which contains a variety of maximalist interpretations on everything from sex and gender to race and institutions. It's a far left I've experienced both in the US and here in Denmark and I think it's largely the far left people think of when it is mentioned.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > I wouldn't describe the far left today as having anything to do with its foundations. I wouldn't describe you as having any useful knowledge of the left (even to the extent of being able to identify the part that is the “far left”.) > What I've observed is a political group largely held together with The far left isn’t “held together” at all, but riven with fairly deep internal divisions. Whatever group you see that seems unitary and held together by anything is a much narrower faction than “the far left”, even if it happens to coincidentally overlap with it. In the particular case of the one held together by: > an obsessive compulsion to root out any element not in line with its own brand of correct thought, which contains a variety of maximalist interpretations on everything from sex and gender to race and institutions. It’s mostly a fairly narrow vocal largely petit-bourgeois faction of dilettantes inspired mainly by a weird blend of identity politics messages concocted by center-right groups to look progressive while preventing class solidarity occasionally (but not consistently; a lot of them are pretty much exclusively focussed on non-economic-class identity politics) mixed with progressive economic slogans that that are, at best, dubiously compatible with their particular brand of identity politics. Being extremely generous based on the subset incorporating, however poorly, leftist economic messaging as a component of their platform, one might consider this group to overlap with the far left, but it certainly is not the same as the far left.
- autoexec 5y ago
  Most of the sex workers I've known personally started as strippers and for those who came away from it traumatized, the issues were mostly from either rape or drug addition. Never being thanked never came up, but I suspect most people dealing with the public could relate to how shitty people can be. I wish we made a bigger deal about the mental health of folks working regular service/hospitality jobs and that companies made a better effort to protect their employees from rude customers and abuse. Webcam stuff at least seems somewhat ideal in terms of safety and in reducing exposure to drugs. It also gives people the ability to instantly drop anyone making them uncomfortable or being obnoxious. I can't imagine most people going that route will have any lasting harm, especially as we move toward a society that wont judge and condemn men and women who do that kind of work. Right now, there are still risks to people when their employers or others in their lives find out they do sex work, but eventually I'd like to think that'll be a thing of the past.
- feudalism 5y ago
  > My wife who is a sex worker Jesus... > She's started keeping a list of clients who say thank you. Almost none. Honestly don't get this. As if she expects sex work to be a dignified occupation? > The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs. Yes certainly that. Not to mention that whorish behavior is being glorified by the media a la mainstream music. Young women are being manipulated into thinking that's what empowerment looks like and it's very saddening.
  - mkw2000 5y ago
    I bet the ladies love this guy

by stared 5y ago

emptysongglass 5y ago

My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usually it's just singulars as imperatives), cum, then leave. She's started keeping a list of clients who say thank you. Almost none. The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs. Mostly what they're getting is trauma that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

belorn 5y ago
I don't see how you are replying to the above comment. When has ever an exploited work force been thanked for their job? When there exist no labor protection, the traditional approach when someone died on the job was to replace them with a new desperate person. Livestock in, livestock out. Becoming a sex worker today in most countries is like becoming a coal miner of old. The only thing that matter is what you produce, and if you get hurt you will be replaced by someone just as desperate.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  > I don't see how you are replying to the above comment. When has ever an exploited work force been thanked for their job? You are narrowly focusing on a single sentence from a larger rebuttal to the notion that sex work is a healthier pursuit for women than retail.
hnbad 5y ago
I don't think it's reasonable to say that "the far left" encourages young girls to get into sex work but there is a real problem of leftist takes on sex work often being overly positive by overcorrecting for the generally negative attitudes of SWERFs (sex work exclusive radical feminists) and religious conservatives, who are seen as trying to criminalize sex work and promote policies directly harming sex workers (see the recent "human trafficking" bills in the US). The problem of SWERFs and conservatives harming sex workers is real, but sex work naturally comes with a vulnerability that its defenders often fail to acknowledge. Sex work is inevitable and decriminalizing does seem to help sex workers more than trying to criminalize it but the failure of progressives is that they try to defend sex work but don't put the sex workers themselves front and center in the discussion of if and how it should be regulated and how they can be protected. All work under capitalism is exploitative and all work that involves emotional labor (e.g. all service work) can be particularly damaging, but sex work is its own separate beast and requires a lot more care than either side of the political spectrum is willing to admit. A purely class based lens (nor a lens based entirely on rational economics of "voluntary financial transactions) is incapable of fully appreciating the dynamics of sex work because a lot of the problems stem from other systems of oppression (sexism, racism, etc) and their potential for harm is multiplied by the vulnerable nature of the profession. I think Mexie's recent video[0] on this issue is a good explanation from a radical leftist perspective that is critical of sex work while supportive of sex workers and generally still sex positive. For a more moderate (and IMO more approachable) leftist analysis still informed by the experience of actual sex workers rather than abstract arguments I can recommend Philosophy Tube's video[1] on the topic. The video doesn't express a clear opinion on the question of sex work but I think it provides a good overview of the problems and the problems with their various "solutions". [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3Pe8k-gDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3Pe8k-gDM [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU
- leppr 5y ago
  Can anyone who downvoted comment on the reasons? I actually found this post insightful and particularly level-headed so I'm curious if it's something I've missed.
Xylakant 5y ago
I’m sorry for your wife. However, I think it’s dangerous to shape the conversation about sex work solely around such cases. A person from my old flat share was a nurse on a terminal cancer ward for mostly children. > 90% of the patients died. They burned out within two years on the job. My aunt had to quit her job as hospital nurse because it physically ruined her body. She’s still suffering from that, decades later. A friend of mine spent his (then mandatory) social service caring for a quadriplegic person who deliberately tried to destroy my friend mentally, sort of their revenge for what happened to them. It took less than half a year for my friend to end up in stationary therapy, due to risk of self-harm and suicide. Yet, we don’t discuss these cases in terms of “being a nurse is a ruinous job. It needs to be banned.” - nor should we. Those cases need to be discussed in terms of “how can we ensure these jobs are safe and receive the support needed.” I believe that making sex work illegal and driving it back underground is not helping that conversation.
- newsclues 5y ago
  Two anecdote from different sides of the spectrum and you feel the one you disagree with is dangerous. Just because normal jobs suck, doesn’t mean sex work is good.
  - Xylakant 5y ago
    I feel it’s dangerous shaping conversations around individual anecdotes. I can tell you multiple positive anecdotes from the nursing side as well. Another friend of mine did long-term individual care for a disabled person and they got along extremely well, even traveling and such. That friend considered that his dream job. My father’s current partner volunteers at a hospice. She considers that an important part of her social work. There’s sex workers talking on public record about how liberating that was to them. What I’m saying is that deriving policy from anecdotes is dangerous.
    - newsclues 5y ago
      You seemed to focus only only positive anecdotes, and then claim the negative ones are dangerous. Anyone can cherry pick data and present a few cases to support their world view.
tomp 5y ago
> The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible This cannot be true. Anyone can find ample porn online (definitely enough to cum) for free. Therefore it follows that people engaging with OnlyFans and other paid-for porn services must be getting something else out of it - the illusion of an intimate (two-way) relationship, the feeling of dominance (uttering commands that the performers then act out), novelty (a bit far-fetched, there's almost certainly more free porn online than anyone can watch in a lifetime, except maybe extremely niche interests...), or something else...
- throwdiscussion 5y ago
  I'm not so sure that novelty is far fetched, speaking from my own experiences. My porn tastes are not fully mainstream, but not far off the path either. You can definitely hit a point where it feels like every clip that matches your interests is one you've seen before. Every actor is one you've seen before. When visiting Pornhub or similar I noticed myself going straight for the "sort by newest" option more often. And that's why I went to Chaturbate for the first time, because it's live video I've never seen before. Chaturbate and other live cam sites have their own issues...the two-way stuff can be pretty creepy in both directions. But it is always fresh video and that is its own attraction, even with what seems like an endless sea of porn available.
  - burner4534 5y ago
    Glad you mentioned Chaturbate. I'm a consumer, but haven't the courage to log in or contribute yet! Whenever I get overdosed with women beating up on male sexuality, or the perpetual discussion of how awful and exploitative porn is, I know I can go to Chaturbate. I'll find lots of happy smiling people. On the couples page, young good looking couples, rightly proud of their skills, are having the sex we should all be having. Women are getting pleasured as much as men, by and large. Some might find the practices disgusting, but the practitioners don't seem to. Apart from perhaps the full-timers, I don't see much social-influencer preening. It's more spontaneous, plus preening in a bedroom setting seems less about vanity and more about getting yourself properly rogered. If we're having more and better sex, and it certainly looks like it, we probably have porn and the pill, and now chat sites to thank. Goodness, only a few decades ago we needed Alex Comfort to tell us that oral sex was alright. In particular, hope this isn't the dirty old man speaking, women (especially but not only on Chaturbate) seem to have thrown off the yoke of an imposed modesty, and seem not to be missing it much. I'm sure there are problems, and abuse, but I wish this and other hand-wringing discussions would start from the premise that if we are having more and freer sex, that's a good thing, and that men and women, despite all the problems, are made for each other.
Telemakhos 5y ago
This isn't going to be a welcome question or politically correct, but why do you let your wife continue to engage in something that is "majority trauma" and that makes her need therapy?
- NateEag 5y ago
  At a guess, because his wife is a human and gets to make her own decisions?
  - Telemakhos 5y ago
    There was a time when family members intervened when they saw loved ones engaging in self-harm. This husband is watching his wife expose herself to trauma so great that she feels compelled to seek therapy, a therapy provided by the same corporation that is profiting off her trauma. The easy conclusion is that the corporation provides this therapy to keep the traumatized people who drive the company's profits from quitting the trauma, which would be the obvious solution. Loving someone does not mean supporting their every decision, especially when everyone involved seems to realize that the decision is harmful.
    - anotherman554 5y ago
      "There was a time when family members intervened when they saw loved ones engaging in self-harm." Some people would call removing you loved one's agency to make their own decisions abuse.
      - MillenialMan 5y ago
        Those people are stuck in a legalistic framework that privileges labels above reality.
      - monkeybutton 5y ago
        I agree that the question further up did come off as rather paternalistic in a bad way but their central point has merit: by continuing to support his wife's decision to work in that environment, doesn't that make him an enabler for the abuse?
zapdrive 5y ago
This comment has to be sarcasm, gaslighting or sattire. I mean really? Does your wife's boyfriend approve of her sex work too? And the whole "thank you" entitlement. Lol. Shouldn't she be the one for thanking her clients. That's usually how it works in real life sex work.
throwawaysw123 5y ago
My best friend is a cam model and could really use therapy, but she has no insurance. What cam site provides therapy? My friend works for MFC, and is a "contractor", not an employee.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  Can you give me a method of contacting you? Can be a throwaway email.
  - throwawaysw123 5y ago
    gdrew686 at gmail dot com Thanks so much. Its awesome to know there is a site that cares enough about their models to provide support for therapy.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs. No, it hasn't. The far left is anti-capitalist, and includes both pro-and-anti-sex-work factions; the attitude you describe is more that of the pro-sex-work portion of the pro-(possibly somewhat tamed)-capitalism center-to-center-left. The pro-sex-work portion of the anti-capitalist (including far) left sees sex work largely as just work, and agrees with many of the (not explicitly gender-based) popular arguments about harms associated with sex work as accurate of sex work within a capitalist system, but not as particular too sex work, but rather as endemic to labor within capitalism.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  I wouldn't describe the far left today as having anything to do with its foundations. What I've observed is a political group largely held together with an obsessive compulsion to root out any element not in line with its own brand of correct thought, which contains a variety of maximalist interpretations on everything from sex and gender to race and institutions. It's a far left I've experienced both in the US and here in Denmark and I think it's largely the far left people think of when it is mentioned.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > I wouldn't describe the far left today as having anything to do with its foundations. I wouldn't describe you as having any useful knowledge of the left (even to the extent of being able to identify the part that is the “far left”.) > What I've observed is a political group largely held together with The far left isn’t “held together” at all, but riven with fairly deep internal divisions. Whatever group you see that seems unitary and held together by anything is a much narrower faction than “the far left”, even if it happens to coincidentally overlap with it. In the particular case of the one held together by: > an obsessive compulsion to root out any element not in line with its own brand of correct thought, which contains a variety of maximalist interpretations on everything from sex and gender to race and institutions. It’s mostly a fairly narrow vocal largely petit-bourgeois faction of dilettantes inspired mainly by a weird blend of identity politics messages concocted by center-right groups to look progressive while preventing class solidarity occasionally (but not consistently; a lot of them are pretty much exclusively focussed on non-economic-class identity politics) mixed with progressive economic slogans that that are, at best, dubiously compatible with their particular brand of identity politics. Being extremely generous based on the subset incorporating, however poorly, leftist economic messaging as a component of their platform, one might consider this group to overlap with the far left, but it certainly is not the same as the far left.
autoexec 5y ago
Most of the sex workers I've known personally started as strippers and for those who came away from it traumatized, the issues were mostly from either rape or drug addition. Never being thanked never came up, but I suspect most people dealing with the public could relate to how shitty people can be. I wish we made a bigger deal about the mental health of folks working regular service/hospitality jobs and that companies made a better effort to protect their employees from rude customers and abuse. Webcam stuff at least seems somewhat ideal in terms of safety and in reducing exposure to drugs. It also gives people the ability to instantly drop anyone making them uncomfortable or being obnoxious. I can't imagine most people going that route will have any lasting harm, especially as we move toward a society that wont judge and condemn men and women who do that kind of work. Right now, there are still risks to people when their employers or others in their lives find out they do sex work, but eventually I'd like to think that'll be a thing of the past.
feudalism 5y ago
> My wife who is a sex worker Jesus... > She's started keeping a list of clients who say thank you. Almost none. Honestly don't get this. As if she expects sex work to be a dignified occupation? > The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs. Yes certainly that. Not to mention that whorish behavior is being glorified by the media a la mainstream music. Young women are being manipulated into thinking that's what empowerment looks like and it's very saddening.
- mkw2000 5y ago
  I bet the ladies love this guy