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The problem is that those people are the "whales" for these content creators. Normal people with healthy real-world relationships don't spend hundreds or thousa

The problem is that those people are the "whales" for these content creators. Normal people with healthy real-world relationships don't spend hundreds or thousands of dollars a month on online parasocial porn addictions. It's like someone selling crack and complaining about how they have to deal with crack addicts.

eh9 5y ago
Except it’s nothing like selling crack and the platform isn’t doing enough to keep performers safe.
- philangist 5y ago
  If a person has your full name (from your Instagram account you use to cross promote your OF) and naked pictures of you what can the platform do at that point to keep you safe?
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    Realistically the only thing that can be done is not caring about anyone seeing your naked pictures.
    - techbio 5y ago
      When somebody cares about seeing it enough to pay it becomes harder to pretend it's nothing.
  - cmckn 5y ago
    Social media users are only just starting to realize that posting pictures when they're on vacation informs all their followers that they aren't at home and could be easily burgled; and the Bling Ring was over a decade ago ;) Sites like OnlyFans could have mandatory training about not revealing sensitive details (close the curtains before you shoot, take your diploma off the wall, use a stage name, etc.). But yes, your face is a giveaway; and every day it becomes easier to turn a couple breadcrumbs into a full dossier of someone's life.
    - cabalamat 5y ago
      > Sites like OnlyFans could have mandatory training about not revealing sensitive details That's a practical proposal that would help. Onlyfans creator Aella did a guide on camgirling a few years back: https://knowingless.com/2018/11/19/maximizing-your-slut-impact-an-overly-analytical-guide-to-camgirling/ https://knowingless.com/2018/11/19/maximizing-your-slut-impa...
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  How is not taking monetary advantage of lonely men who most likely never have normal human relationships not immoral? People spending money on these things are not your average Joe's. The whole idea is morally corrupt and onlyfans and the like are doing it on scale now.
  - cookieswumchorr 5y ago
    who defines "normal human relationships", if we don't count various religions? IRL relationships can be just as addictive, toxic and financially perilous.
    - Dma54rhs 5y ago
      Taking advantage and having position of power are pretty well defined in current society, these relationships don't have an equal standing between parties.
  - leppr 5y ago
    You should get out of your echo bubble. I have a few friends spending on these types of services (and Twitch which seems to have evolved to host soft versions of OF-type content). They're sociable, principled people, who also have many "regular" relationships. It's not a zero-sum affair.
    - Dma54rhs 5y ago
      Looks like you're in a bubble yourself. It's well researched who are those men in that trap spending money. They are lonely and miserable, these so called relationships are toxic and take monetary advantage of them. You can't consent into toxic relationships. Your anecdotes don't matter much in the broad sense.
      - leppr 5y ago
        > It's well researched who are those men Source needed. A quick Google search turned up nothing.
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  Both are morally questionable.
girvo 5y ago
Plenty of drug dealers complain about having to deal with addicts, for what its worth. Signed, an ex-addict.
- toyg 5y ago
  This is also very well-depicted in The Wire, which came from primary journalistic sources. "Dope fiends" are customers, but most dealers actually despise them. They're disrespected and abused constantly, as well a systematically exploited and tricked (at one point diluting doses is discussed, because of supply restrictions, and eventually deemed a good thing because "we will sell twice as many").
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - wmeredith 5y ago
    This disdain for their clients also has another insidious layer where dealers will occasionally spike a does with extremely high purity (in the heroin world, they'll use Fentanyl) often leading to an overdose. Because if your shit is so good someone died using it, that gets around the community and it's good for business.

eh9 5y ago

Except it’s nothing like selling crack and the platform isn’t doing enough to keep performers safe.

philangist 5y ago
If a person has your full name (from your Instagram account you use to cross promote your OF) and naked pictures of you what can the platform do at that point to keep you safe?
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Realistically the only thing that can be done is not caring about anyone seeing your naked pictures.
  - techbio 5y ago
    When somebody cares about seeing it enough to pay it becomes harder to pretend it's nothing.
- cmckn 5y ago
  Social media users are only just starting to realize that posting pictures when they're on vacation informs all their followers that they aren't at home and could be easily burgled; and the Bling Ring was over a decade ago ;) Sites like OnlyFans could have mandatory training about not revealing sensitive details (close the curtains before you shoot, take your diploma off the wall, use a stage name, etc.). But yes, your face is a giveaway; and every day it becomes easier to turn a couple breadcrumbs into a full dossier of someone's life.
  - cabalamat 5y ago
    > Sites like OnlyFans could have mandatory training about not revealing sensitive details That's a practical proposal that would help. Onlyfans creator Aella did a guide on camgirling a few years back: https://knowingless.com/2018/11/19/maximizing-your-slut-impact-an-overly-analytical-guide-to-camgirling/ https://knowingless.com/2018/11/19/maximizing-your-slut-impa...
Dma54rhs 5y ago
How is not taking monetary advantage of lonely men who most likely never have normal human relationships not immoral? People spending money on these things are not your average Joe's. The whole idea is morally corrupt and onlyfans and the like are doing it on scale now.
- cookieswumchorr 5y ago
  who defines "normal human relationships", if we don't count various religions? IRL relationships can be just as addictive, toxic and financially perilous.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    Taking advantage and having position of power are pretty well defined in current society, these relationships don't have an equal standing between parties.
- leppr 5y ago
  You should get out of your echo bubble. I have a few friends spending on these types of services (and Twitch which seems to have evolved to host soft versions of OF-type content). They're sociable, principled people, who also have many "regular" relationships. It's not a zero-sum affair.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    Looks like you're in a bubble yourself. It's well researched who are those men in that trap spending money. They are lonely and miserable, these so called relationships are toxic and take monetary advantage of them. You can't consent into toxic relationships. Your anecdotes don't matter much in the broad sense.
    - leppr 5y ago
      > It's well researched who are those men Source needed. A quick Google search turned up nothing.
EvilEy3 5y ago
Both are morally questionable.

girvo 5y ago

Plenty of drug dealers complain about having to deal with addicts, for what its worth. Signed, an ex-addict.

toyg 5y ago
This is also very well-depicted in The Wire, which came from primary journalistic sources. "Dope fiends" are customers, but most dealers actually despise them. They're disrespected and abused constantly, as well a systematically exploited and tricked (at one point diluting doses is discussed, because of supply restrictions, and eventually deemed a good thing because "we will sell twice as many").
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- wmeredith 5y ago
  This disdain for their clients also has another insidious layer where dealers will occasionally spike a does with extremely high purity (in the heroin world, they'll use Fentanyl) often leading to an overdose. Because if your shit is so good someone died using it, that gets around the community and it's good for business.