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Wow. A legal DoS attack. Interesting.

by ww520 5y ago

Fnoord 5y ago
Hmm, that's not a first. Our legal systems (its AFAIK world-wide phenomenon) are flooded as it is, as its slooowwwww. In US, politicians use their time with amendments (?) to slow down the adoption of a law. Not sure how that exactly works as I'm not from US.
- dannyw 5y ago
  Our legal systems may be slow, but if you try to spam the court, you will not have a good time.
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    Honestly, you’ll have less of a bad time than you deserve. Judges are way too slow to sanction bad actors.
  - hairofadog 5y ago
    Scientology used this method to good effect (good for them, at least) to gain tax exempt status in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_status_of_Scientology_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_status_of_Scientology_in_t...
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  - mumblemumble 5y ago
    You can't outright spam the court. But you can fill the court with lots and lots of legitimate cases, and lots of people all filing suit against the same company for essentially the same thing is a real thing that does legitimately happen. The US courts have developed some mechanisms - class action, but also a thing called multidistrict litigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidistrict_litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidistrict_litigation) to help with these things. I've never been personally involved in arbitration, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the arbitration firms have not developed any real equivalents. Heck, being for-profit organizations, I would think that they have every incentive to not develop anything like that.
    - mcherm 5y ago
      In the US, arbitration HAS developed the equivalent of class action cases. However, most companies that require their customers to agree to mandatory arbitration also require them to agree not to utilize class action options.
  - Fnoord 5y ago
    The court is already overburdened as we speak. My opinion on the matter is that plea bargain is a hack to work around a slow legal system. If it weren't for the slowness of the legal system, we would not need plea bargain. Also, since there's no verdict by a judge, I find it not rather undemocratic. Lower courts and court cost are also ways to put less stress on the legal system, but they can be balanced.

Wow. A legal DoS attack. Interesting.

by ww520 5y ago

Wow. A legal DoS attack. Interesting.

Hmm, that's not a first. Our legal systems (its AFAIK world-wide phenomenon) are flooded as it is, as its slooowwwww. In US, politicians use their time with amendments (?) to slow down the adoption of a law. Not sure how that exactly works as I'm not from US.

dannyw 5y ago
Our legal systems may be slow, but if you try to spam the court, you will not have a good time.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  Honestly, you’ll have less of a bad time than you deserve. Judges are way too slow to sanction bad actors.
- hairofadog 5y ago
  Scientology used this method to good effect (good for them, at least) to gain tax exempt status in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_status_of_Scientology_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_status_of_Scientology_in_t...
- deleted 5y ago
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- mumblemumble 5y ago
  You can't outright spam the court. But you can fill the court with lots and lots of legitimate cases, and lots of people all filing suit against the same company for essentially the same thing is a real thing that does legitimately happen. The US courts have developed some mechanisms - class action, but also a thing called multidistrict litigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidistrict_litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multidistrict_litigation) to help with these things. I've never been personally involved in arbitration, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the arbitration firms have not developed any real equivalents. Heck, being for-profit organizations, I would think that they have every incentive to not develop anything like that.
  - mcherm 5y ago
    In the US, arbitration HAS developed the equivalent of class action cases. However, most companies that require their customers to agree to mandatory arbitration also require them to agree not to utilize class action options.
- Fnoord 5y ago
  The court is already overburdened as we speak. My opinion on the matter is that plea bargain is a hack to work around a slow legal system. If it weren't for the slowness of the legal system, we would not need plea bargain. Also, since there's no verdict by a judge, I find it not rather undemocratic. Lower courts and court cost are also ways to put less stress on the legal system, but they can be balanced.