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> OnlyFans is much less so due to the very nature of its product and who its content creators are. This is an extremely generous view. It's well known that cam

> OnlyFans is much less so due to the very nature of its product and who its content creators are. This is an extremely generous view. It's well known that cam sites often feature trafficked victims. Why wouldn't you also assume that an OnlyFans is also run by a trafficker? You cited yourself that the industry is predatory and exploitative. Do you honestly believe that most of these woman truly made this choice themselves?

ioseph 5y ago
On one hand not requiring to go through a studio would make it easier for trafficking, but porn studios don't exactly have a fantastic track record when it comes to human rights. On the other hand for individual content makers using this platform gives them far more control over the type of content they produce and a fairer share of the profit.
- girvo 5y ago
  You've summed up my opinion entirely in two sentences haha, well done. That's why my original comment was prefaced with "in some ways".
asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
I can't speak for the person you're responding to, but I don't think an assumption of human trafficking by the site's owners is supported given that some other site's owners did human trafficking. By all accounts I've been exposed to, models on OnlyFans earn much better than models on other sites. That seems like a prima facie reason to believe it's overall a good thing, and the evidence would need to be presented to demonstrate otherwise. Starting with the assumption the owner of something you don't like is a human trafficker is not a good way to make a convincing case against OnlyFans.
- lxmorj 5y ago
  I believe he is not saying the site owners are traffickers but that some OF channels could be trafficker run.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
    Oh, if that's so then I'm even less clear on what we expect OnlyFans to do about it, unless we are going to ban the whole sector of sex work. Some restaurants launder money for the mob too, but we still have restaurants. If there are sensible steps OF could take to reduce the incidence of this, then they should. But it's hard for me to think of what that might be, given any response made over the internet could easily be coerced. Are there ideas I can read up on?
    - kyleee 5y ago
      Let's engage in a hypothetical to flesh out your position; if 10% of only fans accounts were victims of human trafficking, acting at the behest of their traffickers, what course(s) of action would you recommend for only fans (as a company), and from regulatory bodies?
      - Cipater 5y ago
        How would OF know?
      - asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
        I think all regulatory regimes that have any chance of addressing this would require government support. Perhaps something like requiring any model to first go alone to identify herself to the police or other authority and certify her age. This would provide an opportunity to escape a captor. Perhaps this would be an annual thing. But the proper incentives would need to be in place. She'd need to be allowed to stay in country if she is a foreign victim of trafficking, for example. We would want to prevent this from becoming some type of guild where incumbents can keep out new competition. And the police would need to be supportive in this process (i.e. promptly inform OF of models' eligibility, and otherwise participate in the process in good faith). It's hard to see that happening in, e.g., the United States.
vmception 5y ago
Earn, (which was acquired by Coinbase and shutdown/rebranded), did the same thing as OnlyFans, charging for direct messages. There are many services like that. Many content producers on OnlyFans switch away from subscription model to just freemium with paid direct messages. It is unnecessarily gendered to treat OnlyFans differently just because the many content creators on OnlyFans are women leading with their bodies. Maybe you weren't aware of other services that let people charge for DMs that simply didn't get associated with adult content, maybe that's not what you meant, but the comment you replied to said the OnlyFans platform is less about the nature of its product and more about who its content creators are, which you seemed to disagree with but then replied with a completely different comment.
- the_doctah 5y ago
  >It requires pure misogyny to treat OnlyFans differently just because the content creators on OnlyFans are women leading with their bodies So if we took misogyny out of the equation no one would think OnlyFans favors attractive women?
  - vmception 5y ago
    It is no reason to treat the platform differently than other platforms
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ioseph 5y ago

On one hand not requiring to go through a studio would make it easier for trafficking, but porn studios don't exactly have a fantastic track record when it comes to human rights. On the other hand for individual content makers using this platform gives them far more control over the type of content they produce and a fairer share of the profit.

girvo 5y ago
You've summed up my opinion entirely in two sentences haha, well done. That's why my original comment was prefaced with "in some ways".

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago

I can't speak for the person you're responding to, but I don't think an assumption of human trafficking by the site's owners is supported given that some other site's owners did human trafficking. By all accounts I've been exposed to, models on OnlyFans earn much better than models on other sites. That seems like a prima facie reason to believe it's overall a good thing, and the evidence would need to be presented to demonstrate otherwise. Starting with the assumption the owner of something you don't like is a human trafficker is not a good way to make a convincing case against OnlyFans.

lxmorj 5y ago
I believe he is not saying the site owners are traffickers but that some OF channels could be trafficker run.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  Oh, if that's so then I'm even less clear on what we expect OnlyFans to do about it, unless we are going to ban the whole sector of sex work. Some restaurants launder money for the mob too, but we still have restaurants. If there are sensible steps OF could take to reduce the incidence of this, then they should. But it's hard for me to think of what that might be, given any response made over the internet could easily be coerced. Are there ideas I can read up on?
  - kyleee 5y ago
    Let's engage in a hypothetical to flesh out your position; if 10% of only fans accounts were victims of human trafficking, acting at the behest of their traffickers, what course(s) of action would you recommend for only fans (as a company), and from regulatory bodies?
    - Cipater 5y ago
      How would OF know?
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
      I think all regulatory regimes that have any chance of addressing this would require government support. Perhaps something like requiring any model to first go alone to identify herself to the police or other authority and certify her age. This would provide an opportunity to escape a captor. Perhaps this would be an annual thing. But the proper incentives would need to be in place. She'd need to be allowed to stay in country if she is a foreign victim of trafficking, for example. We would want to prevent this from becoming some type of guild where incumbents can keep out new competition. And the police would need to be supportive in this process (i.e. promptly inform OF of models' eligibility, and otherwise participate in the process in good faith). It's hard to see that happening in, e.g., the United States.

vmception 5y ago

Earn, (which was acquired by Coinbase and shutdown/rebranded), did the same thing as OnlyFans, charging for direct messages. There are many services like that. Many content producers on OnlyFans switch away from subscription model to just freemium with paid direct messages. It is unnecessarily gendered to treat OnlyFans differently just because the many content creators on OnlyFans are women leading with their bodies. Maybe you weren't aware of other services that let people charge for DMs that simply didn't get associated with adult content, maybe that's not what you meant, but the comment you replied to said the OnlyFans platform is less about the nature of its product and more about who its content creators are, which you seemed to disagree with but then replied with a completely different comment.

the_doctah 5y ago
>It requires pure misogyny to treat OnlyFans differently just because the content creators on OnlyFans are women leading with their bodies So if we took misogyny out of the equation no one would think OnlyFans favors attractive women?
- vmception 5y ago
  It is no reason to treat the platform differently than other platforms

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