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The BBC is really digging deep and far away from OnlyFans itself in order to try to generate the moral outrage needed to justify their puritan anti-porn stance.

The BBC is really digging deep and far away from OnlyFans itself in order to try to generate the moral outrage needed to justify their puritan anti-porn stance. Most of this article seems to be about things that happen outside of the website or instances where users violated the terms of service.

vmception 5y ago
The summary, I think, is that they should list calls to action for OnlyFans, or point out that the biggest tech giants are struggling with the same issues on their own platforms, ie. hackers, stalkers, 2-factor authentication, lack of live chat for support. BBC could have done a bit more to summarize calls to action instead of helping readers conflate multiple issues with preexisting biases. It is also a pretty decent reality for what creators can expect, right now. But, despite that I felt it was decently balanced. They accurately say the site has associations and can be used for other things. Just saying Youtube, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram and others have the same issues would have been useful.
duxup 5y ago
Is it "moral outrage" if they asked why a creator's account was closed and it was reopened? This article seemed to be about a number of issues, not so much about the content.
rorykoehler 5y ago
I can't understand your position. OF is designed in such a way that it perpetuates certain types of behaviour. You can't hand wave away TOS transgressions when the whole system is setup for weirdo's to easily and repeatedly break the TOS.
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  It's not just TOS violations. Accounts getting hacked, unless there was a vulnerability on the company's side, is totally nonsensical to blame on the company. They have the ability to set up MFA but the creator didn't use it. And this happens on non-adult platforms, too.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    There's more to account security than allowing 2fa. Maybe onlyfans does these things (i have no idea) and its not 100%, people will still get hacked but things that come to mind: * have educational material on how to secure your account (they probably have the only audience in the world that would actually read something like that) * rate limits/login captcha/etc *Handle suspicious logins (diff geoip) differently * password requirements (not the stupid one symbol thing, but the ban every password that has ever appeared in haveibeenpwnd version) *making it easier for people with hacked accounts to get meaningful help. Response is just as important as prevention. *mandatory 2fa (people who willingly use 2fa are usually people who have strong passwords and benefit the least) Onlyfans is in an industry with a higher threat profile than average tech company, they should have a higher account security standard.
HWR_14 5y ago
Saying its okay because "users violated the terms of service" is a weak cop out. If we know the consequences of people posting, it should be made clear to them the real consequences. Not just if people abide by the ToS.
joshsyn 5y ago
I agree, BBC's can be good for some, bad for others.
throw_m239339 5y ago
> puritan anti-porn stance Dismissing people critical of the porn industry as "anti-porn puritans" is certainly not helping your argument nor doing justice to all the people who have to deal with the consequences of the victimization of women in these 'industries', something the clientele never cares about of course.

vmception 5y ago

The summary, I think, is that they should list calls to action for OnlyFans, or point out that the biggest tech giants are struggling with the same issues on their own platforms, ie. hackers, stalkers, 2-factor authentication, lack of live chat for support. BBC could have done a bit more to summarize calls to action instead of helping readers conflate multiple issues with preexisting biases. It is also a pretty decent reality for what creators can expect, right now. But, despite that I felt it was decently balanced. They accurately say the site has associations and can be used for other things. Just saying Youtube, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram and others have the same issues would have been useful.

duxup 5y ago

Is it "moral outrage" if they asked why a creator's account was closed and it was reopened? This article seemed to be about a number of issues, not so much about the content.

rorykoehler 5y ago

I can't understand your position. OF is designed in such a way that it perpetuates certain types of behaviour. You can't hand wave away TOS transgressions when the whole system is setup for weirdo's to easily and repeatedly break the TOS.

Manuel_D 5y ago
It's not just TOS violations. Accounts getting hacked, unless there was a vulnerability on the company's side, is totally nonsensical to blame on the company. They have the ability to set up MFA but the creator didn't use it. And this happens on non-adult platforms, too.
- bawolff 5y ago
  There's more to account security than allowing 2fa. Maybe onlyfans does these things (i have no idea) and its not 100%, people will still get hacked but things that come to mind: * have educational material on how to secure your account (they probably have the only audience in the world that would actually read something like that) * rate limits/login captcha/etc *Handle suspicious logins (diff geoip) differently * password requirements (not the stupid one symbol thing, but the ban every password that has ever appeared in haveibeenpwnd version) *making it easier for people with hacked accounts to get meaningful help. Response is just as important as prevention. *mandatory 2fa (people who willingly use 2fa are usually people who have strong passwords and benefit the least) Onlyfans is in an industry with a higher threat profile than average tech company, they should have a higher account security standard.

HWR_14 5y ago

Saying its okay because "users violated the terms of service" is a weak cop out. If we know the consequences of people posting, it should be made clear to them the real consequences. Not just if people abide by the ToS.

joshsyn 5y ago

I agree, BBC's can be good for some, bad for others.

throw_m239339 5y ago

> puritan anti-porn stance Dismissing people critical of the porn industry as "anti-porn puritans" is certainly not helping your argument nor doing justice to all the people who have to deal with the consequences of the victimization of women in these 'industries', something the clientele never cares about of course.