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To be honest, all your points sound scary/depressing/unappealing to me. Like the last point - helicopter parenting - kind of creepy to be honest, yikes. But thi

by bartwr 5y ago

To be honest, all your points sound scary/depressing/unappealing to me. Like the last point - helicopter parenting - kind of creepy to be honest, yikes. But this might be a difference in our cultural backgrounds and how we grew up. But one thing that is not just matter of cultural background and preferences, but of facts and ongoing research - is that pressure, high expectations etc. do have a devastating effect on teenagers' mental health and mental wellbeing.

naturalauction 5y ago
> is that pressure, high expectations etc. do have a devastating effect on teenagers' mental health and mental wellbeing. Having grown up in the South Bay and then having moved to Europe myself I think that lots of parents in the Bay Area really don’t understand this, and props to you for doing so (even though you aren’t a parent). Sure plenty of kids end up being extremely high achievers. Plenty of kids also crack under the pressure and spend their formative years hating themselves. Sure it’s a cultural thing, but it’s a cultural thing that actively hurts children.
legerdemain 5y ago
Again, I'm glad you have decided to look for a place to live that's a better fit for you right now! The way parents in South Bay raise their kids might seem hardcore, but it gets results. Many families come here from overseas with nothing and spend many years working in dismal jobs with low pay, all to give their kids a chance at success. We have some of the best schools and some of the highest rates of attending elite universities in the entire country. The FAANGs are stocked with graduates from local high schools. Many families have parents who work at Apple and other well-established companies. We live in wholesome, family-friendly, welcoming communities. If you ever decide to have kids, we would be happy to welcome you back to the area!
- talentedcoin 5y ago
  And when I was at Findhorn I met this extraordinary English tree expert who had devoted himself to saving trees, and he’d just got back from Washington lobbying to save the Redwoods. And he was eighty-four years old, and he always travels with a backpack because he never knows where he’s going to be tomorrow. And when I met him at Findhorn he said to me, “Where are you from?” And I said, “New York.” And he said, “Ah, New York, yes, that’s a very interesting place. Do you know a lot of New Yorkers who keep talking about the fact that they want to leave, but never do?” And I said, “Oh, yes.” And he said, “Why do you think they don’t leave?” And I gave him different banal theories. And he said, “Oh, I don’t think it’s that way at all.” He said, “I think that New York is the new model for the new concentration camp, where the camp has been built by the inmates themselves, and the inmates are the guards, and they have this pride in this thing that they’ve built—they’ve built their own prison—and so they exist in a state of schizophrenia where they are both guards and prisoners. And as a result they no longer have—having been lobotomized—the capacity to leave the prison they’ve made or even to see it as a prison.” And then he went into his pocket, and he took out a seed for a tree, and he said, “This is a pine tree.” And he put it in my hand. And he said, “Escape before it’s too late. https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/278727-my-dinner-with-andr https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/278727-my-dinner-with-...

by bartwr 5y ago

naturalauction 5y ago

> is that pressure, high expectations etc. do have a devastating effect on teenagers' mental health and mental wellbeing. Having grown up in the South Bay and then having moved to Europe myself I think that lots of parents in the Bay Area really don’t understand this, and props to you for doing so (even though you aren’t a parent). Sure plenty of kids end up being extremely high achievers. Plenty of kids also crack under the pressure and spend their formative years hating themselves. Sure it’s a cultural thing, but it’s a cultural thing that actively hurts children.

legerdemain 5y ago

Again, I'm glad you have decided to look for a place to live that's a better fit for you right now! The way parents in South Bay raise their kids might seem hardcore, but it gets results. Many families come here from overseas with nothing and spend many years working in dismal jobs with low pay, all to give their kids a chance at success. We have some of the best schools and some of the highest rates of attending elite universities in the entire country. The FAANGs are stocked with graduates from local high schools. Many families have parents who work at Apple and other well-established companies. We live in wholesome, family-friendly, welcoming communities. If you ever decide to have kids, we would be happy to welcome you back to the area!

talentedcoin 5y ago
And when I was at Findhorn I met this extraordinary English tree expert who had devoted himself to saving trees, and he’d just got back from Washington lobbying to save the Redwoods. And he was eighty-four years old, and he always travels with a backpack because he never knows where he’s going to be tomorrow. And when I met him at Findhorn he said to me, “Where are you from?” And I said, “New York.” And he said, “Ah, New York, yes, that’s a very interesting place. Do you know a lot of New Yorkers who keep talking about the fact that they want to leave, but never do?” And I said, “Oh, yes.” And he said, “Why do you think they don’t leave?” And I gave him different banal theories. And he said, “Oh, I don’t think it’s that way at all.” He said, “I think that New York is the new model for the new concentration camp, where the camp has been built by the inmates themselves, and the inmates are the guards, and they have this pride in this thing that they’ve built—they’ve built their own prison—and so they exist in a state of schizophrenia where they are both guards and prisoners. And as a result they no longer have—having been lobotomized—the capacity to leave the prison they’ve made or even to see it as a prison.” And then he went into his pocket, and he took out a seed for a tree, and he said, “This is a pine tree.” And he put it in my hand. And he said, “Escape before it’s too late. https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/278727-my-dinner-with-andr https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/278727-my-dinner-with-...