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What does having concern with the PCR test sensitivity driving much of the cases (and thus fear) have to do with filter bubbles? Are you really saying that the

What does having concern with the PCR test sensitivity driving much of the cases (and thus fear) have to do with filter bubbles? Are you really saying that the high cycle counts did not significantly effect the number of cases...? How ironic to call me out for intellectual isolationism, you barely know what you're talking about bud.

vmception 5y ago
I'm saying it doesn't matter, didn't affect support for the US President, unlikely to be related to one country's administration, and actually was not timed with Biden taking office because the circular is about an earlier circular a few weeks earlier which itself was about an earlier circular dating back to September 2020 So spending energy pondering on one of many quantum realities, especially the one where its "timed with the change of administration, rhetorical hmmmmmmmm", is the intellectual isolationism because the only cycle being wasted is your own thought processes. > Are you really saying that the high cycle counts did not significantly effect the number of cases...? Whoosh, I'm saying I didn't comment on that at all.
- hatware 5y ago
  >I'm saying it doesn't matter, didn't affect support for the US President, unlikely to be related to one country's administration, and actually was not timed with Biden taking office because the circular is about an earlier circular a few weeks earlier which itself was about an earlier circular dating back to September 2020 Got it. So you're saying we had enough folks vaccinated in the US to contribute to cases going down as Biden took office, even though by that point vaccine supplies barely existed. I'm trying to get you to see there's more to it than you want to think, but here you are lecturing as if you've somehow got all the perspective. Whoosh? Yikes from me, dawg.
  - vmception 5y ago
    I never said any of those things. Regarding the cases: the spread and reporting always lags, so if the case count had spiked higher by an order of magnitude suddenly then it is not improbable that it had already saturated a population. To me, the actual counterpoint to your reality is pretty easy: if PCR testing cycles were altered by the international WHO and member countries and testing services in those countries all mostly followed that guidance, then why did India and that whole region see that huge spike in cases recently, why did Brazil continue its trend? Doesn't that have a more significant factor than whatever happened in December, in the US specifically, or other relevant countries at that point in time? What's the rebuttal, that the WHO changed PCR cycle guidelines again in spring to make India's administration look worse? I'm being facetious, but you tell me as the only way your theory works is if there are no positive test results spikes anywhere following January 2021. The US is doing good because its ICUs are not full and emergency services are not stressed into nonexistence - something which actually happened in LA county where the winter flare up actually occurred - the US isn't open simply because the PCR testing cycles changes could report fewer cases.
    - hatware 5y ago
      > The US is doing good because its ICUs are not full and emergency services are not stressed into nonexistence Most (>90%) ICUs in the US were never full, and LA county is an anomaly. To your points, shouldn't California have been more prepared for this...? It's almost like the politicians there weren't serving the citizens at all. Do I need to post every single inconsistency from the last year in order for you to civilly discuss one point I've brought up, or do you want to keep dancing around calling me a conspiracy theorist without actually doing it? You're using fallacies and I'm trying to open up a dialogue that is pretty rare around these parts. Try and keep up. >the US isn't open simply because the PCR testing cycles changes could report fewer cases. The US is open because it is politically expedient. You can have another opinion if you want, but attacking mine and my character blindly is pretty childish. Keep censoring others, you'll be a good little servant to your tyrants.
      - vmception 5y ago
        California messed up, many places had completely incorrect pandemic mitigations. LA keeping people indoors in dense mixed unit housing was suboptimal. Which specific point would you like to discuss? I dont feel the same way you do about this conversation and I thought we were at the point where you reply about the other countries that would have been following PCR cycle guidelines too, unless that was considered a fallacy you were referring to.

vmception 5y ago

I'm saying it doesn't matter, didn't affect support for the US President, unlikely to be related to one country's administration, and actually was not timed with Biden taking office because the circular is about an earlier circular a few weeks earlier which itself was about an earlier circular dating back to September 2020 So spending energy pondering on one of many quantum realities, especially the one where its "timed with the change of administration, rhetorical hmmmmmmmm", is the intellectual isolationism because the only cycle being wasted is your own thought processes. > Are you really saying that the high cycle counts did not significantly effect the number of cases...? Whoosh, I'm saying I didn't comment on that at all.

hatware 5y ago
>I'm saying it doesn't matter, didn't affect support for the US President, unlikely to be related to one country's administration, and actually was not timed with Biden taking office because the circular is about an earlier circular a few weeks earlier which itself was about an earlier circular dating back to September 2020 Got it. So you're saying we had enough folks vaccinated in the US to contribute to cases going down as Biden took office, even though by that point vaccine supplies barely existed. I'm trying to get you to see there's more to it than you want to think, but here you are lecturing as if you've somehow got all the perspective. Whoosh? Yikes from me, dawg.
- vmception 5y ago
  I never said any of those things. Regarding the cases: the spread and reporting always lags, so if the case count had spiked higher by an order of magnitude suddenly then it is not improbable that it had already saturated a population. To me, the actual counterpoint to your reality is pretty easy: if PCR testing cycles were altered by the international WHO and member countries and testing services in those countries all mostly followed that guidance, then why did India and that whole region see that huge spike in cases recently, why did Brazil continue its trend? Doesn't that have a more significant factor than whatever happened in December, in the US specifically, or other relevant countries at that point in time? What's the rebuttal, that the WHO changed PCR cycle guidelines again in spring to make India's administration look worse? I'm being facetious, but you tell me as the only way your theory works is if there are no positive test results spikes anywhere following January 2021. The US is doing good because its ICUs are not full and emergency services are not stressed into nonexistence - something which actually happened in LA county where the winter flare up actually occurred - the US isn't open simply because the PCR testing cycles changes could report fewer cases.
  - hatware 5y ago
    > The US is doing good because its ICUs are not full and emergency services are not stressed into nonexistence Most (>90%) ICUs in the US were never full, and LA county is an anomaly. To your points, shouldn't California have been more prepared for this...? It's almost like the politicians there weren't serving the citizens at all. Do I need to post every single inconsistency from the last year in order for you to civilly discuss one point I've brought up, or do you want to keep dancing around calling me a conspiracy theorist without actually doing it? You're using fallacies and I'm trying to open up a dialogue that is pretty rare around these parts. Try and keep up. >the US isn't open simply because the PCR testing cycles changes could report fewer cases. The US is open because it is politically expedient. You can have another opinion if you want, but attacking mine and my character blindly is pretty childish. Keep censoring others, you'll be a good little servant to your tyrants.
    - vmception 5y ago
      California messed up, many places had completely incorrect pandemic mitigations. LA keeping people indoors in dense mixed unit housing was suboptimal. Which specific point would you like to discuss? I dont feel the same way you do about this conversation and I thought we were at the point where you reply about the other countries that would have been following PCR cycle guidelines too, unless that was considered a fallacy you were referring to.