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By that standard the 'Natural Origin Theory' is conjecture. Unless you believe the third or fourth official Chinese explanation: a bat urinated in a researcher'

By that standard the 'Natural Origin Theory' is conjecture. Unless you believe the third or fourth official Chinese explanation: a bat urinated in a researcher's mouth... while he was totally not in a lab funded by the US for gain of function research.

jollybean 5y ago
This is false. We have tons of direct evidence for 'Natural Origin' and there is no other competing theory that matches the evidence. While some details are still murky - our actual 'Origin' resembles something around the bounds of that theory. We have no evidence of a 'Lab Leak'. It's just conjecture. While lab leaks do happen with some frequency, animals do spread disease to humans (i.e. Zoonotic transfer) far more often and this has been going on since the dawn of time. The previous SARS crisis was sparked in this manner, which is why, during the initial phases of the pandemic, this theory was 'most likely' even though it was also conjecture. Moreover, it's another good example of how 'facts change'. The only reason the 'Lab Leak' theory has material credence or plausibility is because of the lack of evidence for it's competing theory i.e. no trail of Zoonotic transfer as of yet found. If you have actual evidence about something, then make your public claim so that it can be scrutinized. Otherwise, don't spread false information, especially on highly public channels.
- sennight 5y ago
  > We have tons of direct evidence for 'Natural Origin' Tons, huh? So if that is the case then why is the WHO backpedaling [0] on the premature zoonotic classification, after ignoring everyone pointing out the fact that it was premature from the get-go? Did the "facts" change again? It never gets old, watching Tedros erode institutional trust. > If you have actual evidence about something, then make your public claim so that it can be scrutinized. I think I'll wait for you to break off a piece of that "tons" of evidence first. I'm really looking forward to you backing up the whole bat-soup/peed-in-my-mouth story with good solid evidence. [0] https://www.npr.org/2021/07/15/1016436749/who-chief-wuhan-lab-covid-19-origin-premature-tedros https://www.npr.org/2021/07/15/1016436749/who-chief-wuhan-la...

jollybean 5y ago

This is false. We have tons of direct evidence for 'Natural Origin' and there is no other competing theory that matches the evidence. While some details are still murky - our actual 'Origin' resembles something around the bounds of that theory. We have no evidence of a 'Lab Leak'. It's just conjecture. While lab leaks do happen with some frequency, animals do spread disease to humans (i.e. Zoonotic transfer) far more often and this has been going on since the dawn of time. The previous SARS crisis was sparked in this manner, which is why, during the initial phases of the pandemic, this theory was 'most likely' even though it was also conjecture. Moreover, it's another good example of how 'facts change'. The only reason the 'Lab Leak' theory has material credence or plausibility is because of the lack of evidence for it's competing theory i.e. no trail of Zoonotic transfer as of yet found. If you have actual evidence about something, then make your public claim so that it can be scrutinized. Otherwise, don't spread false information, especially on highly public channels.

sennight 5y ago
> We have tons of direct evidence for 'Natural Origin' Tons, huh? So if that is the case then why is the WHO backpedaling [0] on the premature zoonotic classification, after ignoring everyone pointing out the fact that it was premature from the get-go? Did the "facts" change again? It never gets old, watching Tedros erode institutional trust. > If you have actual evidence about something, then make your public claim so that it can be scrutinized. I think I'll wait for you to break off a piece of that "tons" of evidence first. I'm really looking forward to you backing up the whole bat-soup/peed-in-my-mouth story with good solid evidence. [0] https://www.npr.org/2021/07/15/1016436749/who-chief-wuhan-lab-covid-19-origin-premature-tedros https://www.npr.org/2021/07/15/1016436749/who-chief-wuhan-la...