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What would you like to have discussed and/or judged independently? I agree that a lot of the comments here are shitposting or making reactionary equivocations.

What would you like to have discussed and/or judged independently? I agree that a lot of the comments here are shitposting or making reactionary equivocations. Others though, are making valid points... which you may agree with, or not. IMO, for example, the most important part of this to pay attention to is NATO. Cybersecurity & China seem to be the new focus of the alliance. To me, this seems like the most potentially impactful aspect.. and probably a key reason why this announcement was made in the way that it was made. IE, I think that what NATO do in the coming few years will make the history books, rather than Chinese cyberattacks. I may be wrong, but this isn't a disingenuous equivocation. It's just my judgement on this, at this point.

godelski 5y ago
Well look at the conversations in threads about the US hacking. They typically discuss the international implications of this, how to protect yourself, and what we can do about it. Yeah, there's people that bring up China and Russia, but they typically aren't the top comment or a majority of the comments. The top comment in this thread[0] is the beginning of a conversation I'd like to see but one that is already being pulled away from. It recognizes the danger of these actions (independent of the country issuing them). It is not excusing the hacking by stating that another country has done it, but rather condemning it all around. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27883812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27883812
- dalbasal 5y ago
  Those aren't really equivalents. This isn't just a thread about chinese hacking, it's a thread about a US-NATO statement in response to hacking. Anyway, who cares about convicting one or the other. This is about consequences. The consequences of whatever direction NATO is taking now are meaningful.. much more meaningful than the hack.

godelski 5y ago

Well look at the conversations in threads about the US hacking. They typically discuss the international implications of this, how to protect yourself, and what we can do about it. Yeah, there's people that bring up China and Russia, but they typically aren't the top comment or a majority of the comments. The top comment in this thread[0] is the beginning of a conversation I'd like to see but one that is already being pulled away from. It recognizes the danger of these actions (independent of the country issuing them). It is not excusing the hacking by stating that another country has done it, but rather condemning it all around. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27883812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27883812

dalbasal 5y ago
Those aren't really equivalents. This isn't just a thread about chinese hacking, it's a thread about a US-NATO statement in response to hacking. Anyway, who cares about convicting one or the other. This is about consequences. The consequences of whatever direction NATO is taking now are meaningful.. much more meaningful than the hack.