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If the Radia tapes[1] didn't affect the Congress/UPA government, why would this affect Modi? > Sounds like complete abuse of power with no checks and balances.

by sinyug 5y ago

If the Radia tapes[1] didn't affect the Congress/UPA government, why would this affect Modi? > Sounds like complete abuse of power with no checks and balances. There are checks and balances. They are called elections. The Indian constitution grants the government of the day an extraordinary amount of power. But the government is eventually formed by elected members of parliament. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radia_tapes_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radia_tapes_controversy

wolverine876 5y ago
If government uses its powers to suppress the opposition and prevent criticism of itself, then elections are not a check. Elections also aren't a check for people who have already suffered from the oppression. Governments operate under the rule of law and respect for democracy and human rights. 'To protect those rights, governments are instituted among men.' They serve the people with power delegated to them by the people. They aren't elected as temporary gods or kings.
- sinyug 5y ago
  > If government uses its powers to suppress the opposition In what way is the opposition being suppressed? Other than the Congress which is suffering from a self-inflicted, mortal wound, the smaller parties are doing quite well in their own states. > prevent criticism of itself This statement has no basis in reality. The Hinduphobic left and their friends in media have done nothing but abuse the Modi government for seven straight years with zero consequences. > people who have already suffered from the oppression Who is being oppressed? In what way? > Governments operate under the rule of law and respect for democracy and human rights. Sure. That explains the benevolent nature of the Chinese/Iranian/Pakistani governments. And also why the US government keeps overthrowing other democratically elected governments, interfering in foreign elections and invading foreign countries to spread democracy while carpet bombing the local population. Please. Governments are entities that exercise a monopoly over violence within a certain territory. The nature of the government depends on those in power and those who get them there.
  - srean 5y ago
    Journalists, professors (Kappan, Teltumbde) languishing in jail without trial on trumped up charges, and planted evidence indicates otherwise. A 84 year old Parkinson's patient (Stan Swamy) who couldn't feed himself water arrested on trumped up charges, held without trial, dying in jail indicates otherwise. Rampant doctoring and planting of evidence indicates otherwise. Lack of progress in investigations in killings of critics (Gauri Lankesh) indicates otherwise. Lack of progress in criminal proceedings against perpetrators of violence against JNU students caught on camera indicates otherwise. I could keep going on giving examples till the cows come home.
    - sinyug 5y ago
      > Journalists, professors (Kappan, Teltumbde) languishing in jail without trial on trumped up charges Can you please tell the HN audience whether Teltumbde was able to approach the Supreme Court of India for relief and what the SC told him? Or are you also casting aspersions on the Supreme Court? > A 84 year old Parkinson's patient (Stan Swamy) who couldn't feed himself water arrested on trumped up charges, held without trial, dying in jail indicates otherwise. He died in a hospital.[1] He was able to present his case before a court multiple times. > I could keep going on giving examples till the cows come home. A lie here, a half-truth there. I am sure you can find an infinite number of similar "examples." [1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/fr-stan-swamy-passes-away/article35143941.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/fr-stan-...
      - srean 5y ago
        The Supreme Court has been far from impartial (especially relevant, because one can see from this news story that calling Supreme court judges out for sexual harassments gets surveillance spyware installed on your devices). I am sure you know that Stan Swamy was denied bail although he posed no flight risk, was denied straw to drink water with because he could not hold tumblers without spilling all of the water and that he had been complaining about his health and that he was taken to hospital by the time his health had irreparably deteriorated, thanks to lack of attention to his medical complaints. If your defense is picking on my shorthand to describe dying while in legal custody of a jail where he was being held without trial, under ludicrous trumped up charges, denied of bail, then I don't have much to add.

by sinyug 5y ago

wolverine876 5y ago

If government uses its powers to suppress the opposition and prevent criticism of itself, then elections are not a check. Elections also aren't a check for people who have already suffered from the oppression. Governments operate under the rule of law and respect for democracy and human rights. 'To protect those rights, governments are instituted among men.' They serve the people with power delegated to them by the people. They aren't elected as temporary gods or kings.

sinyug 5y ago
> If government uses its powers to suppress the opposition In what way is the opposition being suppressed? Other than the Congress which is suffering from a self-inflicted, mortal wound, the smaller parties are doing quite well in their own states. > prevent criticism of itself This statement has no basis in reality. The Hinduphobic left and their friends in media have done nothing but abuse the Modi government for seven straight years with zero consequences. > people who have already suffered from the oppression Who is being oppressed? In what way? > Governments operate under the rule of law and respect for democracy and human rights. Sure. That explains the benevolent nature of the Chinese/Iranian/Pakistani governments. And also why the US government keeps overthrowing other democratically elected governments, interfering in foreign elections and invading foreign countries to spread democracy while carpet bombing the local population. Please. Governments are entities that exercise a monopoly over violence within a certain territory. The nature of the government depends on those in power and those who get them there.
- srean 5y ago
  Journalists, professors (Kappan, Teltumbde) languishing in jail without trial on trumped up charges, and planted evidence indicates otherwise. A 84 year old Parkinson's patient (Stan Swamy) who couldn't feed himself water arrested on trumped up charges, held without trial, dying in jail indicates otherwise. Rampant doctoring and planting of evidence indicates otherwise. Lack of progress in investigations in killings of critics (Gauri Lankesh) indicates otherwise. Lack of progress in criminal proceedings against perpetrators of violence against JNU students caught on camera indicates otherwise. I could keep going on giving examples till the cows come home.
  - sinyug 5y ago
    > Journalists, professors (Kappan, Teltumbde) languishing in jail without trial on trumped up charges Can you please tell the HN audience whether Teltumbde was able to approach the Supreme Court of India for relief and what the SC told him? Or are you also casting aspersions on the Supreme Court? > A 84 year old Parkinson's patient (Stan Swamy) who couldn't feed himself water arrested on trumped up charges, held without trial, dying in jail indicates otherwise. He died in a hospital.[1] He was able to present his case before a court multiple times. > I could keep going on giving examples till the cows come home. A lie here, a half-truth there. I am sure you can find an infinite number of similar "examples." [1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/fr-stan-swamy-passes-away/article35143941.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/fr-stan-...
    - srean 5y ago
      The Supreme Court has been far from impartial (especially relevant, because one can see from this news story that calling Supreme court judges out for sexual harassments gets surveillance spyware installed on your devices). I am sure you know that Stan Swamy was denied bail although he posed no flight risk, was denied straw to drink water with because he could not hold tumblers without spilling all of the water and that he had been complaining about his health and that he was taken to hospital by the time his health had irreparably deteriorated, thanks to lack of attention to his medical complaints. If your defense is picking on my shorthand to describe dying while in legal custody of a jail where he was being held without trial, under ludicrous trumped up charges, denied of bail, then I don't have much to add.