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My hope is that Nvidia will just develop a launcher. I think a lot of people will jump ship to third party launchers because of this, though, and the damage wil

My hope is that Nvidia will just develop a launcher. I think a lot of people will jump ship to third party launchers because of this, though, and the damage will be done. Then we just wait for an HN post about thousands of Shield devices being hacked because users installed launchers from who knows where.

Scaevolus 5y ago
Supposedly part of the Android TV certification requirements include only using their launcher.
- TingPing 5y ago
  Is that required for the play store, or just branding as "Android TV"?
  - Scaevolus 5y ago
    The entire GMS suite, including Play Store and YouTube.
- tyingq 5y ago
  Hopefully there's some negotiation going on. If Google insists that the ad-laden launcher MUST be the default, they are killing any possibility of an "upscale Android TV". Seems dumb to purposefully kill that market.
  - seanp2k2 5y ago
    I was thinking the other day about the Hollywood red carpet event backdrops that are plastered with logos and how tacky that makes the photos look. People even pay thousands for designer fashion goods that have “all-over” logo prints (e.g. most LV stuff, Supreme, Gucci, etc). I get that for some it’s desirable for the virtue signaling, but to me it just looks tacky. Let the quality of the leather and design of the handbag speak for themselves. It’s not as if an Eames chair has leather embossed with the Herman Miller logo every few inches, yet it’s still an iconic and recognizable design. Related: https://www.businessinsider.com/discreet-wealth-logos-status-symbols-cost-louis-vuitton-goyard-2019-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/discreet-wealth-logos-status... Why not just use great-looking photo backdrops instead of tacky logo walls?
tyingq 5y ago
>My hope is that Nvidia will just develop a launcher I don't see that they have a choice. Nobody is going to pay for a premium device that shoves ads in your face. Roku has ads, but they are less aggressive, so I imagine they would start picking up Nvidea customers. The bad review bombing hit both nVidea apps and Google's AndroidTV launcher pretty hard: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.tegrazone3 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.teg... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.katniss&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
- Teledhil 5y ago
  The Android TV Launcher is this one app, with an even worse score: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.tvlauncher&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
- pdimitar 5y ago
  They'll just delete the bad reviews after the initial PR storm subsides. Various big apps have been "caught" in the past doing it. Apparently if you have Google's ear then everything is possible under the table. This also reminds me of the famous BlizzCon where they announced Diablo Immortal -- where the Chinese exec infamously exclaimed (after the audience started booing): "Do you guys not have phones?" -- when the dislikes of the videos reached into dozens of millions and Google has reset the dislikes, several times in a row. So yeah, these things do happen and will likely happen again.
  - hn_go_brrrrr 5y ago
    They won't even wait that long. If they can find anyone on the internet telling other people to go give negative reviews to an app, they claim all negative reviews are due to that call to action. That gives them "justification" to delete all of them as "inauthentic".
    - brokenmachine 5y ago
Aissen 5y ago
What makes you think NVIDIA did not opt into those ads, and is getting a cut of the revenue?

Scaevolus 5y ago

Supposedly part of the Android TV certification requirements include only using their launcher.

TingPing 5y ago
Is that required for the play store, or just branding as "Android TV"?
- Scaevolus 5y ago
  The entire GMS suite, including Play Store and YouTube.
tyingq 5y ago
Hopefully there's some negotiation going on. If Google insists that the ad-laden launcher MUST be the default, they are killing any possibility of an "upscale Android TV". Seems dumb to purposefully kill that market.
- seanp2k2 5y ago
  I was thinking the other day about the Hollywood red carpet event backdrops that are plastered with logos and how tacky that makes the photos look. People even pay thousands for designer fashion goods that have “all-over” logo prints (e.g. most LV stuff, Supreme, Gucci, etc). I get that for some it’s desirable for the virtue signaling, but to me it just looks tacky. Let the quality of the leather and design of the handbag speak for themselves. It’s not as if an Eames chair has leather embossed with the Herman Miller logo every few inches, yet it’s still an iconic and recognizable design. Related: https://www.businessinsider.com/discreet-wealth-logos-status-symbols-cost-louis-vuitton-goyard-2019-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/discreet-wealth-logos-status... Why not just use great-looking photo backdrops instead of tacky logo walls?

tyingq 5y ago

>My hope is that Nvidia will just develop a launcher I don't see that they have a choice. Nobody is going to pay for a premium device that shoves ads in your face. Roku has ads, but they are less aggressive, so I imagine they would start picking up Nvidea customers. The bad review bombing hit both nVidea apps and Google's AndroidTV launcher pretty hard: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.tegrazone3 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.teg... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.katniss&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...

Teledhil 5y ago
The Android TV Launcher is this one app, with an even worse score: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.tvlauncher&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
pdimitar 5y ago
They'll just delete the bad reviews after the initial PR storm subsides. Various big apps have been "caught" in the past doing it. Apparently if you have Google's ear then everything is possible under the table. This also reminds me of the famous BlizzCon where they announced Diablo Immortal -- where the Chinese exec infamously exclaimed (after the audience started booing): "Do you guys not have phones?" -- when the dislikes of the videos reached into dozens of millions and Google has reset the dislikes, several times in a row. So yeah, these things do happen and will likely happen again.
- hn_go_brrrrr 5y ago
  They won't even wait that long. If they can find anyone on the internet telling other people to go give negative reviews to an app, they claim all negative reviews are due to that call to action. That gives them "justification" to delete all of them as "inauthentic".
  - brokenmachine 5y ago

Aissen 5y ago

What makes you think NVIDIA did not opt into those ads, and is getting a cut of the revenue?