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Does anyone else get extremely powerful uncanny valley vibes from these AI-generated images? Even the ones that are pretty good give me a sort of deep existenti

by npilk 5y ago

Does anyone else get extremely powerful uncanny valley vibes from these AI-generated images? Even the ones that are pretty good give me a sort of deep existential horror. Actually the original “this person does not exist” wasn’t so bad, but things like this, DALL-E, or the sheep one that was posted the other day I find extremely unsettling and can’t explain why.

tokamak-teapot 5y ago
Absolutely. I've been wondering if noticing that 'something feels wrong' is a deeply ingrained response related perhaps to survival. When a possible threat is detected, even when it's not clear what the threat is, it's time to feel very uncomfortable.
- seph-reed 5y ago
  Most of human comfort (which isn't pharmaceutically induced) comes from a sense of familiarity. Unfortunately, this is also where most people get their sense of "truthiness," but that's another story. Anyways, if you were raised in a machine with these images and then shown the real world, I wonder if it would be a relief or also uncanny? I know that when it comes to sound, it's really hard to create organic sounds. And that part of our ability to hear sounds happens (theoretically) before the brain, in the form of grouping harmonic series together into isolated sound sources. Perhaps eyes do something similar? Some sort of pre-processing that functionally works for all natural phenomena, kind of like the harmonic series does for sound.
- phkahler 5y ago
  >> Absolutely. I've been wondering if noticing that 'something feels wrong' is a deeply ingrained response related perhaps to survival. I thought the latest thinking is that most of what we "see" is really a projection from our own mind (similar to how these images are generated) and our attention is drawn to those areas where our projection and sensory input don't match. So yes, we are evolved to be alerted when "something feels wrong" because it's unexpected and could be a danger. The mismatch can happen at any level of the hierarchy. One person here said some waves appeared to be moving the wrong way for the rest of a scene. Things like that are at a higher level of abstraction than rock textures or tree trunks with gaps. Some things might seem wrong but take more time to identify or explain what the problem is.
qqqwerty 5y ago
Yes, I had to close the page after about 5-10 seconds of browsing. Interestingly, I have been slowly cutting back on coffee and am a bit sluggish as a result, but after looking at those images my mind got a bit of jolt.
- sizzle 5y ago
  Wonder if you activated a fight or flight response
unixhero 5y ago
I was going to post the same, but you said it. For me it's like; Then if this can "not-exist" now, we're at level already. We're approaching a "what is real situation", should we be able to put this into a person's memory.

by npilk 5y ago

tokamak-teapot 5y ago

Absolutely. I've been wondering if noticing that 'something feels wrong' is a deeply ingrained response related perhaps to survival. When a possible threat is detected, even when it's not clear what the threat is, it's time to feel very uncomfortable.

seph-reed 5y ago
Most of human comfort (which isn't pharmaceutically induced) comes from a sense of familiarity. Unfortunately, this is also where most people get their sense of "truthiness," but that's another story. Anyways, if you were raised in a machine with these images and then shown the real world, I wonder if it would be a relief or also uncanny? I know that when it comes to sound, it's really hard to create organic sounds. And that part of our ability to hear sounds happens (theoretically) before the brain, in the form of grouping harmonic series together into isolated sound sources. Perhaps eyes do something similar? Some sort of pre-processing that functionally works for all natural phenomena, kind of like the harmonic series does for sound.
phkahler 5y ago
>> Absolutely. I've been wondering if noticing that 'something feels wrong' is a deeply ingrained response related perhaps to survival. I thought the latest thinking is that most of what we "see" is really a projection from our own mind (similar to how these images are generated) and our attention is drawn to those areas where our projection and sensory input don't match. So yes, we are evolved to be alerted when "something feels wrong" because it's unexpected and could be a danger. The mismatch can happen at any level of the hierarchy. One person here said some waves appeared to be moving the wrong way for the rest of a scene. Things like that are at a higher level of abstraction than rock textures or tree trunks with gaps. Some things might seem wrong but take more time to identify or explain what the problem is.

qqqwerty 5y ago

Yes, I had to close the page after about 5-10 seconds of browsing. Interestingly, I have been slowly cutting back on coffee and am a bit sluggish as a result, but after looking at those images my mind got a bit of jolt.

sizzle 5y ago
Wonder if you activated a fight or flight response

unixhero 5y ago

I was going to post the same, but you said it. For me it's like; Then if this can "not-exist" now, we're at level already. We're approaching a "what is real situation", should we be able to put this into a person's memory.