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> returned to Arch Linux which I previously used with the i3 tiling window manager, and am now using Sway (a Wayland port of i3). It generally works well, but t

> returned to Arch Linux which I previously used with the i3 tiling window manager, and am now using Sway (a Wayland port of i3). It generally works well, but there are many applications that I have to fiddle with to get to work properly. Weird cobbled together configuration using esoteric softwares will always have weird issues and things working like they were cobbled together. Just use a properly supported and cohesive desktop environment and everything will be fine.

chrismorgan 5y ago
That these issues occur demonstrates a problem in the Wayland ecosystem, whether with compositors or individual apps. Compositors are supposed to be interchangeable from apps’ perspectives. I believe the problems listed with Firefox, Audacity and cq-editor would apply to any Wayland compositor. I will note that once you’ve done MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1, the remaining Firefox problems are likely to be significantly less obvious in a non-tiling, purely-client-side-decorations window manager. That doesn’t stop them from being bugs. For the Krita one, in a high-DPI environment you’ll either need to use unsupported patches on XWayland and worry about QT_SCALE_FACTOR, or use the stable version and get a terrible result that will be nigh unusable for certain purposes (though normally you’ll just call it ugly and annoying); whereas if you use X right through, you can have proper high-DPI. The Zoom crash, who knows; I certainly don’t, since they don’t make it easy to inspect what’s going wrong. There’s a good chance it’d work properly under at least GNOME. For comparison, under i3 I don’t think I ever experienced general issues like these (that would apply to all WMs), and experienced WM-specific issues only a few times, minor and workaroundable each time. The distinct impression I’m getting is one of immaturity. I’m still using it, because it does solve a couple of things that X didn’t do well that I consider moderately important, and more importantly because I’m an intrepid idiot willing to put up with a lot in the name of daily-driving the future to help iron it out for others. (As another such thing, Firefox Nightly has been my daily driver for just over a decade except for a cumulative total of about a year.)
na85 5y ago
>esoteric softwares Firefox is esoteric nowadays?

chrismorgan 5y ago

That these issues occur demonstrates a problem in the Wayland ecosystem, whether with compositors or individual apps. Compositors are supposed to be interchangeable from apps’ perspectives. I believe the problems listed with Firefox, Audacity and cq-editor would apply to any Wayland compositor. I will note that once you’ve done MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1, the remaining Firefox problems are likely to be significantly less obvious in a non-tiling, purely-client-side-decorations window manager. That doesn’t stop them from being bugs. For the Krita one, in a high-DPI environment you’ll either need to use unsupported patches on XWayland and worry about QT_SCALE_FACTOR, or use the stable version and get a terrible result that will be nigh unusable for certain purposes (though normally you’ll just call it ugly and annoying); whereas if you use X right through, you can have proper high-DPI. The Zoom crash, who knows; I certainly don’t, since they don’t make it easy to inspect what’s going wrong. There’s a good chance it’d work properly under at least GNOME. For comparison, under i3 I don’t think I ever experienced general issues like these (that would apply to all WMs), and experienced WM-specific issues only a few times, minor and workaroundable each time. The distinct impression I’m getting is one of immaturity. I’m still using it, because it does solve a couple of things that X didn’t do well that I consider moderately important, and more importantly because I’m an intrepid idiot willing to put up with a lot in the name of daily-driving the future to help iron it out for others. (As another such thing, Firefox Nightly has been my daily driver for just over a decade except for a cumulative total of about a year.)

na85 5y ago

>esoteric softwares Firefox is esoteric nowadays?