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How many kids have died from the Wuhan Coronavirus?

mschuster91 5y ago
Half of the kids who contract Covid19 suffer from "long covid" (per https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/). This is really, really bad. The worse thing is: every person contracting the virus can develop a mutation that escapes vaccines - and children can spread it to their parents and grandparents. You never had children I assume? Just look at your coworkers how often they fall sick because of some nasty flu or other bug their children caught in kindergarten or school. And your "Wuhan coronavirus" naming ... the only people I've heard who call the virus by that name or its similar "China virus" are right-wingers and corona / vaccine deniers.
- logicalmonster 5y ago
  > Half of the kids who contract Covid19 suffer from "long covid" I don't doubt that there's some likely some fairly common short-medium term health impacts from a nasty flu that's relatively new and unknown. But I strongly wonder how much of these supposed "long-covid" symptoms may be wounds that are partially self-inflicted by society. I believe that natural (and already quite bad) activity patterns have been altered negatively since Covid started and this may have a wide-scale health impact that the establishment doesn't care about. These symptoms may partially stem from basically keeping people locked up inside for months, the media feeding them constant scare stories and stressing them out (stress can prevent good sleep and has many other negative health effects), people eating garbage food because there's not as much else to do, people not getting as much sun (Vitamin D exposure) and exercise as they should be getting, the depressions coming from the unnatural social life we've been forced to endure (covering faces, only communicating via video chats), etc. > And your "Wuhan coronavirus" naming ... the only people I've heard who call the virus by that name or its similar "China virus" are right-wingers and corona / vaccine deniers. May I ask what does an idealogical compliance check add to the conversation?
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    > But I strongly wonder how much of these supposed "long-covid" symptoms may be wounds that are partially self-inflicted by society. Better political action - e.g. following basic science by mandating and enforcing masks, enforcing actual lockdowns, making tests and sick days accessible, supporting poor people who don't have a realistic choice between working sick and not having something to eat, and now that there's vaccines available making them mandatory - would have saved a lot of these wounds! The differences in coronavirus-caused interruptions between countries with solid leadership and a societal sense of solidarity (e.g. New Zealand, but also many Asian countries for the better part of the last year) and right-wing populist-led or -influenced countries such as the US, Brazil or most of Europe can't be denied any more. We all need to hold our politicians accountable for their mismanagement and recklessness if we want a chance at restoring our societies and healing the rift. > May I ask what does an idealogical compliance check add to the conversation? Simple: I don't want to engage with right wing people and conspiracy myth spreaders in the meatspace and I want to do the same online.
    - tomp 5y ago
      > I don't want to engage with right wing people and conspiracy myth spreaders in the meatspace and I want to do the same online. I’m really glad that you’re not in charge.
    - logicalmonster 5y ago
      > enforcing actual lockdowns I don't know if you read or understood my comment, but the self-inflicted wounds I describe such as stress, lack of exercise, bad diets, and other problems associated with "long-covid" may be at least partially due to lockdowns. If this is the case, your prescribed solution may exacerbate the problems. A controlled study on this would be interesting. > The differences in coronavirus-caused interruptions between countries with solid leadership and a societal sense of solidarity (e.g. New Zealand, but also many Asian countries for the better part of the last year) and right-wing populist-led or -influenced countries such as the US, Brazil or most of Europe can't be denied any more. Without getting into a full-on political debate about the merits of freedom and a good economy's role in preserving vulnerable peoples' lives, I'd like to point out that Covid's effects in different countries may have more than 1 variable that no leader could have solved. For instance: * As a relatively isolated island nation, New Zealand had the luxury to lockdown in a way that relatively few nations have. * Compared to most of the world and especially Asia, Americans are heavier, which seems likely to negatively impact outcomes from this illness. * America has large populations of people who suffer from Vitamin D deficiency that seems linked to Covid problems that other countries do not have. > Simple: I don't want to engage with right wing people and conspiracy myth spreaders in the meatspace and I want to do the same online. Fair enough. Personally, I believe in diversity and diverse ideas and would be interested in engaging with the left, right, middle, libertarian, communist, you name it. Even authoritarians too.
- bmn__ 5y ago
  Another group who use that name are the libertarians who recognise that the Tedros rename to sars2/covid is a Kampfbegriff and refuse to use it out of principle in order to avoid supporting the CCP propaganda efforts. They are politically diametrically opposed to right-wingers and do not deny the existence of virus/disease.
- fsagx 5y ago
  Why highlight the very small, early study with Half of the kids who contract Covid19 suffer from "long covid"? The next paragraph in your link gives 14.5%: The UK Office for National Statistics's latest report estimates that 12.9 per cent of UK children aged 2 to 11, and 14.5 per cent of children aged 12 to 16, still have symptoms five weeks after their first infection. Almost 500,000 UK children have tested positive for covid-19 since March 2020. Most medical bodies say it normally takes a few days or weeks to recover from covid-19, and that most will make a full recovery within 12 weeks.

Half of the kids who contract Covid19 suffer from "long covid" (per https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/). This is really, really bad. The worse thing is: every person contracting the virus can develop a mutation that escapes vaccines - and children can spread it to their parents and grandparents. You never had children I assume? Just look at your coworkers how often they fall sick because of some nasty flu or other bug their children caught in kindergarten or school. And your "Wuhan coronavirus" naming ... the only people I've heard who call the virus by that name or its similar "China virus" are right-wingers and corona / vaccine deniers.

logicalmonster 5y ago
> Half of the kids who contract Covid19 suffer from "long covid" I don't doubt that there's some likely some fairly common short-medium term health impacts from a nasty flu that's relatively new and unknown. But I strongly wonder how much of these supposed "long-covid" symptoms may be wounds that are partially self-inflicted by society. I believe that natural (and already quite bad) activity patterns have been altered negatively since Covid started and this may have a wide-scale health impact that the establishment doesn't care about. These symptoms may partially stem from basically keeping people locked up inside for months, the media feeding them constant scare stories and stressing them out (stress can prevent good sleep and has many other negative health effects), people eating garbage food because there's not as much else to do, people not getting as much sun (Vitamin D exposure) and exercise as they should be getting, the depressions coming from the unnatural social life we've been forced to endure (covering faces, only communicating via video chats), etc. > And your "Wuhan coronavirus" naming ... the only people I've heard who call the virus by that name or its similar "China virus" are right-wingers and corona / vaccine deniers. May I ask what does an idealogical compliance check add to the conversation?
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > But I strongly wonder how much of these supposed "long-covid" symptoms may be wounds that are partially self-inflicted by society. Better political action - e.g. following basic science by mandating and enforcing masks, enforcing actual lockdowns, making tests and sick days accessible, supporting poor people who don't have a realistic choice between working sick and not having something to eat, and now that there's vaccines available making them mandatory - would have saved a lot of these wounds! The differences in coronavirus-caused interruptions between countries with solid leadership and a societal sense of solidarity (e.g. New Zealand, but also many Asian countries for the better part of the last year) and right-wing populist-led or -influenced countries such as the US, Brazil or most of Europe can't be denied any more. We all need to hold our politicians accountable for their mismanagement and recklessness if we want a chance at restoring our societies and healing the rift. > May I ask what does an idealogical compliance check add to the conversation? Simple: I don't want to engage with right wing people and conspiracy myth spreaders in the meatspace and I want to do the same online.
  - tomp 5y ago
    > I don't want to engage with right wing people and conspiracy myth spreaders in the meatspace and I want to do the same online. I’m really glad that you’re not in charge.
  - logicalmonster 5y ago
    > enforcing actual lockdowns I don't know if you read or understood my comment, but the self-inflicted wounds I describe such as stress, lack of exercise, bad diets, and other problems associated with "long-covid" may be at least partially due to lockdowns. If this is the case, your prescribed solution may exacerbate the problems. A controlled study on this would be interesting. > The differences in coronavirus-caused interruptions between countries with solid leadership and a societal sense of solidarity (e.g. New Zealand, but also many Asian countries for the better part of the last year) and right-wing populist-led or -influenced countries such as the US, Brazil or most of Europe can't be denied any more. Without getting into a full-on political debate about the merits of freedom and a good economy's role in preserving vulnerable peoples' lives, I'd like to point out that Covid's effects in different countries may have more than 1 variable that no leader could have solved. For instance: * As a relatively isolated island nation, New Zealand had the luxury to lockdown in a way that relatively few nations have. * Compared to most of the world and especially Asia, Americans are heavier, which seems likely to negatively impact outcomes from this illness. * America has large populations of people who suffer from Vitamin D deficiency that seems linked to Covid problems that other countries do not have. > Simple: I don't want to engage with right wing people and conspiracy myth spreaders in the meatspace and I want to do the same online. Fair enough. Personally, I believe in diversity and diverse ideas and would be interested in engaging with the left, right, middle, libertarian, communist, you name it. Even authoritarians too.
bmn__ 5y ago
Another group who use that name are the libertarians who recognise that the Tedros rename to sars2/covid is a Kampfbegriff and refuse to use it out of principle in order to avoid supporting the CCP propaganda efforts. They are politically diametrically opposed to right-wingers and do not deny the existence of virus/disease.
fsagx 5y ago
Why highlight the very small, early study with Half of the kids who contract Covid19 suffer from "long covid"? The next paragraph in your link gives 14.5%: The UK Office for National Statistics's latest report estimates that 12.9 per cent of UK children aged 2 to 11, and 14.5 per cent of children aged 12 to 16, still have symptoms five weeks after their first infection. Almost 500,000 UK children have tested positive for covid-19 since March 2020. Most medical bodies say it normally takes a few days or weeks to recover from covid-19, and that most will make a full recovery within 12 weeks.