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> The software was not stable for general use for M1 users at the time of its launch in November 2020. That seems like a basic fact that nobody is contesting.

by zepto 5y ago

> The software was not stable for general use for M1 users at the time of its launch in November 2020. That seems like a basic fact that nobody is contesting. > I don't know anyone who thinks or recommends using unstable preview tools for production use is a good idea Who is recommending that? > Might as well use an already existing computer that works well. It seems bizzare to suggest that the computer doesn’t work well when it obviously does. I agree it’s better to use a computer on which the software you want to use is supported. I personally ruled out buying am M1 Mac until after Docker was supported. Is that the point you are trying to make?

rvz 5y ago
> It seems bizzare to suggest that the computer doesn’t work well when it obviously does. Unfortunately, most of the frustrations were from users who went 'all in' since November 2020 and realised that the device did not work well for them. Not only basic updates didn't work, recovery mode also failed to work. Then Apple prevented the majority of popular iOS apps from running on the M1. Making it only up to the developer. > I personally ruled out buying am M1 Mac until after Docker was supported. Is that the point you are trying to make? yes. It's better to wait until the software you need is available, officially supported and stable; and then switch rather than buying it and going all in and realising that the software you need doesn't work well and gets in the way.
- zepto 5y ago
  None of this has anything to do with the computer not working well. All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well. Implying that the device is at fault is dishonest.
  - rvz 5y ago
    > All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well. For you to say 'All reports' is straight up dishonest, when people have reported SSD wearing issues, update and recovery issues and that WAS broken on M1 Macs on launch. You have to use/buy another Mac to recover it or go to the Apple Store since November 2020 on launch day. Maybe if it was 'working extremely well' you wouldn't need to go there and those reporting dead M1 Macs as a result of this, well lost their data and have to buy another one. System software also counts, and particularly for M1 Macs, it did 'not work extremely well' as soon as it released in November 2020. Even the author of this article who also uses an M1 Mac since launch day does not hide or pretend about this.
    - zepto 5y ago
      > For you to say 'All reports' is straight up dishonest No. We’re taking about how the computer works. Not the occasional faulty unit. > when people have reported SSD wearing issues, update and recovery issues … Consumer products are sometimes faulty. If you ship them in volume, some consumers will receive faulty units. If you had evidence that M1 Macs have a greater failure rate than their competitors, you would have presented it.
      - rvz 5y ago
        > No. We’re taking about how the computer works. Not the occasional faulty unit. And the computer needs system software to run properly to be usable, otherwise it is useless on its own and cannot boot anyway. If the system software is causing issues, you update it. On launch day, that was broken and so was recovery when they launched. > If you had evidence that M1 Macs have a greater failure rate than their competitors, you would have presented it. So in November 2020, 'All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well?' Typically, that includes the default install of the system software upon purchase that can only be macOS for M1 Macs and for it to be "usable" it 'must be switched on' and the only way to control and update the hardware is via system software on the machine. Otherwise it is useless. If 'All' reports were that M1 Macs worked extremely well, I would not be seeing such frequent issues or reports mentioned anywhere on launch day or a month after. That was not the case. The author of this post has the evidence themselves and does not hide the issues that happened on launch day and for several months on end.

by zepto 5y ago

rvz 5y ago

> It seems bizzare to suggest that the computer doesn’t work well when it obviously does. Unfortunately, most of the frustrations were from users who went 'all in' since November 2020 and realised that the device did not work well for them. Not only basic updates didn't work, recovery mode also failed to work. Then Apple prevented the majority of popular iOS apps from running on the M1. Making it only up to the developer. > I personally ruled out buying am M1 Mac until after Docker was supported. Is that the point you are trying to make? yes. It's better to wait until the software you need is available, officially supported and stable; and then switch rather than buying it and going all in and realising that the software you need doesn't work well and gets in the way.

zepto 5y ago
None of this has anything to do with the computer not working well. All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well. Implying that the device is at fault is dishonest.
- rvz 5y ago
  > All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well. For you to say 'All reports' is straight up dishonest, when people have reported SSD wearing issues, update and recovery issues and that WAS broken on M1 Macs on launch. You have to use/buy another Mac to recover it or go to the Apple Store since November 2020 on launch day. Maybe if it was 'working extremely well' you wouldn't need to go there and those reporting dead M1 Macs as a result of this, well lost their data and have to buy another one. System software also counts, and particularly for M1 Macs, it did 'not work extremely well' as soon as it released in November 2020. Even the author of this article who also uses an M1 Mac since launch day does not hide or pretend about this.
  - zepto 5y ago
    > For you to say 'All reports' is straight up dishonest No. We’re taking about how the computer works. Not the occasional faulty unit. > when people have reported SSD wearing issues, update and recovery issues … Consumer products are sometimes faulty. If you ship them in volume, some consumers will receive faulty units. If you had evidence that M1 Macs have a greater failure rate than their competitors, you would have presented it.
    - rvz 5y ago
      > No. We’re taking about how the computer works. Not the occasional faulty unit. And the computer needs system software to run properly to be usable, otherwise it is useless on its own and cannot boot anyway. If the system software is causing issues, you update it. On launch day, that was broken and so was recovery when they launched. > If you had evidence that M1 Macs have a greater failure rate than their competitors, you would have presented it. So in November 2020, 'All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well?' Typically, that includes the default install of the system software upon purchase that can only be macOS for M1 Macs and for it to be "usable" it 'must be switched on' and the only way to control and update the hardware is via system software on the machine. Otherwise it is useless. If 'All' reports were that M1 Macs worked extremely well, I would not be seeing such frequent issues or reports mentioned anywhere on launch day or a month after. That was not the case. The author of this post has the evidence themselves and does not hide the issues that happened on launch day and for several months on end.