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Yeah, 10 second load time, tiny text on a mobile device. No thanks. Sucks that people went for over-styling every site making everything painful to publish. I’d

Yeah, 10 second load time, tiny text on a mobile device. No thanks. Sucks that people went for over-styling every site making everything painful to publish. I’d be happy with 90’s static HTML, and a few images when needed. I seek information, not “an experience”.

AlexAffe 5y ago
Exactly this. It is by the way one of the main reasons I initially stuck with HN. The lean UI, text based simplicity, efficiently conveying information had me instantly. I would sacrifize styling for speed anytime, everywhere.
Robotbeat 5y ago
On the contrary, I much prefer a small text on a mobile device to the reflowed text on a mobile device that we’re always forced to use. The PDF is also the same view as on a desktop, so if I look at it on another device, my spatial memory of where stuff is remains intact.
- millerm 5y ago
  Might as well just generate a PNG. The text is too small for me on a mobile device. PDFs main goal was print. The fonts are awful for the screen and no ability to reflow the text. I can deal with things moving around, I don't need spatial memory for that. Just give good titles, headers, and indexes. Again, we can do this with simple HTML, embed images and styles. It's all there. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, people don't really publish information anymore. It's mainly for "experience" and for "looks". Marketing, and advertising, now drive the information era. The "Information Super Highway" is now just a crumbling road plastered with billboards. Most content is useless, and is there for clicks. Heck, I'd rather someone post their site in digests in e-book formats than PDF.
fbrchps 5y ago
Exactly my reaction to opening the site. I had no idea what the content of the site was (besides the title from HN) and around the 50% download point, I had already lost interest. I'm clearly not the only one who loses interest this quick [0][1][2]. Also, as others have mentioned in root level comments, the design & layout of the content within is also severely lacking, which makes waiting for the load to occur even less worth it. --- [0]: https://www.pingdom.com/blog/page-load-time-really-affect-bounce-rate/ https://www.pingdom.com/blog/page-load-time-really-affect-bo... (2018) [1]: https://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2010/03/31/firefox-page-load-speed-part-i/ https://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2010/03/31/firefox-page-loa... (2010) [2]: https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/marketing-strategies/app-and-mobile/page-load-time-statistics/ https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/marketing-strategies/app-and... (I know it's Google, but to be fair they have more data on this than most other companies, despite their obvious desire to sell more of their product/services related to it.)
emptyparadise 5y ago
Only 10 seconds!?

AlexAffe 5y ago

Exactly this. It is by the way one of the main reasons I initially stuck with HN. The lean UI, text based simplicity, efficiently conveying information had me instantly. I would sacrifize styling for speed anytime, everywhere.

Robotbeat 5y ago

On the contrary, I much prefer a small text on a mobile device to the reflowed text on a mobile device that we’re always forced to use. The PDF is also the same view as on a desktop, so if I look at it on another device, my spatial memory of where stuff is remains intact.

millerm 5y ago
Might as well just generate a PNG. The text is too small for me on a mobile device. PDFs main goal was print. The fonts are awful for the screen and no ability to reflow the text. I can deal with things moving around, I don't need spatial memory for that. Just give good titles, headers, and indexes. Again, we can do this with simple HTML, embed images and styles. It's all there. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, people don't really publish information anymore. It's mainly for "experience" and for "looks". Marketing, and advertising, now drive the information era. The "Information Super Highway" is now just a crumbling road plastered with billboards. Most content is useless, and is there for clicks. Heck, I'd rather someone post their site in digests in e-book formats than PDF.

fbrchps 5y ago

Exactly my reaction to opening the site. I had no idea what the content of the site was (besides the title from HN) and around the 50% download point, I had already lost interest. I'm clearly not the only one who loses interest this quick [0][1][2]. Also, as others have mentioned in root level comments, the design & layout of the content within is also severely lacking, which makes waiting for the load to occur even less worth it. --- [0]: https://www.pingdom.com/blog/page-load-time-really-affect-bounce-rate/ https://www.pingdom.com/blog/page-load-time-really-affect-bo... (2018) [1]: https://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2010/03/31/firefox-page-load-speed-part-i/ https://blog.mozilla.org/metrics/2010/03/31/firefox-page-loa... (2010) [2]: https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/marketing-strategies/app-and-mobile/page-load-time-statistics/ https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/marketing-strategies/app-and... (I know it's Google, but to be fair they have more data on this than most other companies, despite their obvious desire to sell more of their product/services related to it.)

emptyparadise 5y ago

Only 10 seconds!?