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> Are you seriously claiming that your "right" to use my stolen phone outweighs my right to own a device that is less attractive for thieves? If you wanna go

> Are you seriously claiming that your "right" to use my stolen phone outweighs my right to own a device that is less attractive for thieves? If you wanna go all pedant on it, let's do... Are you seriously claiming that your "right" to own a device that cannot be used by anyone else without your explicit approval even after your death outweighs my presumption of innocence? Going around and claiming everyone who hasn't got a specific passphrase is a thief isn't helping make your case credible. You're just ridiculing yourself to people who can't afford first-hand devices.

simondotau 5y ago
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. If you have my phone and it's still activation locked, then it was lost or stolen and should be returned to me or my next of kin. My right to own a secure device massively outweighs any desires held by criminals, or downstream beneficiaries of criminal activity.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  > If you have my phone and it's still activation locked, then it was lost or stolen and should be returned to me or my next of kin. If i find your phone and it lets me know of a way to contact you, i'll probably return it to you whether there's an activation lock or not. It's a common courtesy that applies to wallets as well. > My right to own a secure device massively outweighs any desires held by criminals Your device is not in any case secure, as Apple has all the keys to break in. That's why there's an entire gray-market of icloud unlocking based on corrupting Apple workers. Since you are so much in favor of private property, i suggest you invest in a self-destructing phone, wallet and car. If anyone who doesn't match your DNA even just touches it, they should get blown up along with the device. Because that's the only way to be sure you own stuff while making everyone else's life terrible for your little material comfort. /s
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simondotau 5y ago

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. If you have my phone and it's still activation locked, then it was lost or stolen and should be returned to me or my next of kin. My right to own a secure device massively outweighs any desires held by criminals, or downstream beneficiaries of criminal activity.

southerntofu 5y ago
> If you have my phone and it's still activation locked, then it was lost or stolen and should be returned to me or my next of kin. If i find your phone and it lets me know of a way to contact you, i'll probably return it to you whether there's an activation lock or not. It's a common courtesy that applies to wallets as well. > My right to own a secure device massively outweighs any desires held by criminals Your device is not in any case secure, as Apple has all the keys to break in. That's why there's an entire gray-market of icloud unlocking based on corrupting Apple workers. Since you are so much in favor of private property, i suggest you invest in a self-destructing phone, wallet and car. If anyone who doesn't match your DNA even just touches it, they should get blown up along with the device. Because that's the only way to be sure you own stuff while making everyone else's life terrible for your little material comfort. /s

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