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www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/26/gda-texas-mass-shootings-rise-in-2020-data-reports/115506570/ Were they criminals before they shot everyone? https://w

www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/26/gda-texas-mass-shootings-rise-in-2020-data-reports/115506570/ Were they criminals before they shot everyone? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/two-women-shot-in-second-downtown-austin-sixth-street-shooting-in-a-month/ar-AALNORH https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/two-women-shot-in-secon... I haven't heard that any of the suspects in the two events on 6th street were carrying illegally or were already criminals (they could have been). We seem killing more people here in TX already. Letting more drunks have the right to carry and conceal isn't gonna make things better. Maybe it won't make things worse either but it's already pretty bad. Sincerely, Getting the F Out Of TX, ASAP

chmod600 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr... California and Texas have similar homicide rates: 4.3 vs 4.9. Both numbers are low in the sense that homicide isn't something you should be afraid of in either state, unless you are in a specifically risky place or situation. And regarding your anecdotes, it's doubtful to me that a law would prevent many of those people from carrying a gun. Maybe some, but nothing that would show much signal in aggregate data.
- oliwarner 5y ago
  That's where the similarities end though. CA has a much poorer population at the bottom end, the price of living is 70% higher, multiple-point higher unemployment, less space, lower education outcomes, etc, etc, etc. CA's problems are not TX's problems.
  - chmod600 5y ago
    The facts you posted are interesting; thank you. But I don't follow your point. Why would the parent "Get the F Out" of Texas if the murder rate is both low and comparable to the most obvious alternative?
    - oliwarner 5y ago
      Okay, maybe I didn't get your point. You introduced CA into this, but igetspam didn't say GTFOTX-and-go-to-CA. I see that you're using it because lots of people do look at the two states as two options for setting up shop. I guess I was really pointing out that parts of CA has much bigger problems that make it ill-advised to compare state-for-state. Maybe that's unfair but they're both pretty colossal states. And there are other options. Portland, Seattle, etc.
      - chmod600 5y ago
        I should have put it as "Texas is in the middle of the pack in the US". But there are at least a couple ways that could be challenged as well: (a) middle of a list of states is not the same as having equal populations above and below; (b) it raises the question of whether the U.S. murder rate is a reasonable benchmark. On HN, really anything is subject to some kind of challenge. I like comparing the two states because they are both big (and therefore not as subject to cherry-picking) and have fairly different governing philosophies. At the end of the day, you don't choose a state based on minimizing your chances of lightning strikes. You stop climbing trees in the middle of a thunderstorm and you forget about it. Maybe you'd choose specific cities or areas, but state is kind of ridiculous.

chmod600 5y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr... California and Texas have similar homicide rates: 4.3 vs 4.9. Both numbers are low in the sense that homicide isn't something you should be afraid of in either state, unless you are in a specifically risky place or situation. And regarding your anecdotes, it's doubtful to me that a law would prevent many of those people from carrying a gun. Maybe some, but nothing that would show much signal in aggregate data.

oliwarner 5y ago
That's where the similarities end though. CA has a much poorer population at the bottom end, the price of living is 70% higher, multiple-point higher unemployment, less space, lower education outcomes, etc, etc, etc. CA's problems are not TX's problems.
- chmod600 5y ago
  The facts you posted are interesting; thank you. But I don't follow your point. Why would the parent "Get the F Out" of Texas if the murder rate is both low and comparable to the most obvious alternative?
  - oliwarner 5y ago
    Okay, maybe I didn't get your point. You introduced CA into this, but igetspam didn't say GTFOTX-and-go-to-CA. I see that you're using it because lots of people do look at the two states as two options for setting up shop. I guess I was really pointing out that parts of CA has much bigger problems that make it ill-advised to compare state-for-state. Maybe that's unfair but they're both pretty colossal states. And there are other options. Portland, Seattle, etc.
    - chmod600 5y ago
      I should have put it as "Texas is in the middle of the pack in the US". But there are at least a couple ways that could be challenged as well: (a) middle of a list of states is not the same as having equal populations above and below; (b) it raises the question of whether the U.S. murder rate is a reasonable benchmark. On HN, really anything is subject to some kind of challenge. I like comparing the two states because they are both big (and therefore not as subject to cherry-picking) and have fairly different governing philosophies. At the end of the day, you don't choose a state based on minimizing your chances of lightning strikes. You stop climbing trees in the middle of a thunderstorm and you forget about it. Maybe you'd choose specific cities or areas, but state is kind of ridiculous.