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What? US wants Assange for leaking collateral murder vid and documents https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a-us-military-video-depicting

What? US wants Assange for leaking collateral murder vid and documents https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a-us-military-video-depicting-the-slaying-of-over-a-dozen-people-in-iraq/ https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a...

LatteLazy 5y ago
I'm not sure what your question is? My point (that I think you're referring to?) is that US law shouldn't apply to people not in the US. There are a few well established exceptions (Murder, Rape, Piracy (with boats) and terrorism), but aside from those most nations accept that things happening outside their borders aren't subject to their laws...
- _fizz_buzz_ 5y ago
  That is most definitely untrue, especially with the nowadays. If I steal someones credit card information in Australia and use it, I am most definitely breaking Australian law even though I never set foot on Australian soil. My company had a ransomware attack in Germany, the people committing the crime did not reside in Germany, we still filed charges in Germany and the attackers did break German law. The police did of course not tell us:"Oh well, the attackers don't live in Germany, so no law was broken."
  - trasz 5y ago
    Only for things that are crimes in both countries. Otherwise, eg Saudi Arabia could request extradition for blasphemy committed outside the SA. So, which of UK laws Assange broke?
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    I think we all agree SOME crimes should be prosecuted irrespective of where they happen. Maybe Ransomware attacks should meet that standard? Maybe Assanges acts should too. But now you have to be careful. Who decides which crimes? What if they get it wrong? Should I face prosecution for legally drinking at 18 in the UK when the US sets a higher age limit? I think there are a lot of crimes that US takes no interest in, that are much MORE arguably worthy of extraterritorial prosecution. So at best this is very selective prosecution. And that's unjust by definition.

LatteLazy 5y ago

I'm not sure what your question is? My point (that I think you're referring to?) is that US law shouldn't apply to people not in the US. There are a few well established exceptions (Murder, Rape, Piracy (with boats) and terrorism), but aside from those most nations accept that things happening outside their borders aren't subject to their laws...

_fizz_buzz_ 5y ago
That is most definitely untrue, especially with the nowadays. If I steal someones credit card information in Australia and use it, I am most definitely breaking Australian law even though I never set foot on Australian soil. My company had a ransomware attack in Germany, the people committing the crime did not reside in Germany, we still filed charges in Germany and the attackers did break German law. The police did of course not tell us:"Oh well, the attackers don't live in Germany, so no law was broken."
- trasz 5y ago
  Only for things that are crimes in both countries. Otherwise, eg Saudi Arabia could request extradition for blasphemy committed outside the SA. So, which of UK laws Assange broke?
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  I think we all agree SOME crimes should be prosecuted irrespective of where they happen. Maybe Ransomware attacks should meet that standard? Maybe Assanges acts should too. But now you have to be careful. Who decides which crimes? What if they get it wrong? Should I face prosecution for legally drinking at 18 in the UK when the US sets a higher age limit? I think there are a lot of crimes that US takes no interest in, that are much MORE arguably worthy of extraterritorial prosecution. So at best this is very selective prosecution. And that's unjust by definition.