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Let me summarize it - Apple is going to fork out 8 figures, possibly sealed, not admit to anything. Done

by Trias11 5y ago

carschno 5y ago
And, more importantly, not going to change anything. Good luck to the next guy.
- mrweasel 5y ago
  Companies, police and politicians always freak out when someone doesn't want money, but just want them to admit to doing something wrong. Getting a $1Mill is easier than getting an apology.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    That seems a bit of an overstretch. I have heard far more fake "We are sorry", than I heard of $1Mill compensation. At least the money would be real.
    - eitland 5y ago
      I think the difference is between a fake "We are sorry you feel this way" and a real "we messed up big time on this. For starters, here's what we will do to make sure it doesn't happen again".
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Getting a fake apology is easy, getting actual admission of wrongdoing is hard. The former is embarrassing, the latter can be used as evidence in later lawsuits. This is precisely the reason why criminal prosecutions of companies result in the company admitting no wrong but coincidentally agreeing to a 8 to 9 digit fine.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    Well of course. Getting the state to admit it was in the wrong is a precursor to get the state to stop doing something and the state absolutely hates giving up power.
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nullc 5y ago
I doubt that. Eight figures is probably enough to for Apple to pay in house legal staff to stay locked in slow motion litigation with this guy for the rest of his life (or at least until he's exhausted his own financial ability to litigate).
- tyingq 5y ago
  They key probably isn't litigation, but more stories like this that paint Apple as having bad technology and/or racist employees...even if that's not exactly what happened.
- Trias11 5y ago
  The guy is non-white. This changes the whole game not in favor of Apple. And adds few zeros to the cost for Apple to try to wiggle out of this clean and not admit racist bias. Welcome to america. The white guy would get $10 off apple store offer from apple if he was lucky. But not in this case.
  - 8ytecoder 5y ago
    How do you know they didn't, in fact, act with racial bias?
    - Trias11 5y ago
      This is irrelevant. What relevant is how much money lawyers are going to milk Apple for. I’m totally on the side of the guy.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > stay locked in slow motion litigation with this guy for the rest of his life (or at least until he's exhausted his own financial ability to litigate) How is this even possible? Why don't judges recognize this obvious abuse and stop it?
  - nullc 5y ago
alisonkisk 5y ago
Why would you "summarize" by providing extreme speculation? That's dishonest.
- Trias11 5y ago
  That’s my honest speculation knowing the state of affairs in USA. It’s by far not on an extreme side
otterley 5y ago
Doubtful. The maximum damages that a court would likely find for the defendant -- even if Apple admitted all the allegations -- would be much, much smaller than that. (Consider that even wrongful death settlements or injury settlements are at most a few million; and this alleged victim's injuries were only reputational.) Settlements often boil down to a fraction of the maximum theoretical damages, so I expect the value to be in the 5 figures at most.

Let me summarize it - Apple is going to fork out 8 figures, possibly sealed, not admit to anything. Done

carschno 5y ago

And, more importantly, not going to change anything. Good luck to the next guy.

mrweasel 5y ago
Companies, police and politicians always freak out when someone doesn't want money, but just want them to admit to doing something wrong. Getting a $1Mill is easier than getting an apology.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  That seems a bit of an overstretch. I have heard far more fake "We are sorry", than I heard of $1Mill compensation. At least the money would be real.
  - eitland 5y ago
    I think the difference is between a fake "We are sorry you feel this way" and a real "we messed up big time on this. For starters, here's what we will do to make sure it doesn't happen again".
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    Getting a fake apology is easy, getting actual admission of wrongdoing is hard. The former is embarrassing, the latter can be used as evidence in later lawsuits. This is precisely the reason why criminal prosecutions of companies result in the company admitting no wrong but coincidentally agreeing to a 8 to 9 digit fine.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  Well of course. Getting the state to admit it was in the wrong is a precursor to get the state to stop doing something and the state absolutely hates giving up power.

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nullc 5y ago

I doubt that. Eight figures is probably enough to for Apple to pay in house legal staff to stay locked in slow motion litigation with this guy for the rest of his life (or at least until he's exhausted his own financial ability to litigate).

tyingq 5y ago
They key probably isn't litigation, but more stories like this that paint Apple as having bad technology and/or racist employees...even if that's not exactly what happened.
Trias11 5y ago
The guy is non-white. This changes the whole game not in favor of Apple. And adds few zeros to the cost for Apple to try to wiggle out of this clean and not admit racist bias. Welcome to america. The white guy would get $10 off apple store offer from apple if he was lucky. But not in this case.
- 8ytecoder 5y ago
  How do you know they didn't, in fact, act with racial bias?
  - Trias11 5y ago
    This is irrelevant. What relevant is how much money lawyers are going to milk Apple for. I’m totally on the side of the guy.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
> stay locked in slow motion litigation with this guy for the rest of his life (or at least until he's exhausted his own financial ability to litigate) How is this even possible? Why don't judges recognize this obvious abuse and stop it?
- nullc 5y ago

alisonkisk 5y ago

Why would you "summarize" by providing extreme speculation? That's dishonest.

Trias11 5y ago
That’s my honest speculation knowing the state of affairs in USA. It’s by far not on an extreme side

otterley 5y ago

Doubtful. The maximum damages that a court would likely find for the defendant -- even if Apple admitted all the allegations -- would be much, much smaller than that. (Consider that even wrongful death settlements or injury settlements are at most a few million; and this alleged victim's injuries were only reputational.) Settlements often boil down to a fraction of the maximum theoretical damages, so I expect the value to be in the 5 figures at most.