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One reason to start with stuff like gas stoves is that, frankly, the disruption isn't that big. You'd get used to a new stove pretty quickly.

boring_twenties 5y ago
I've been stuck with an electric stove for the past 4 years. There's no way to ever get used to it, it simply sucks.
Notanothertoo 5y ago
No, it's not comparable and are you kidding me? This is utter nonsense. There are 12 ships that produce more co2 than all the gas fed home sin the world.. Quite getting off in telling other how to be.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  The point isn't that a stove uses more than a container ship -- where did you get that idea? It's that "I can't figure out how to work an electric stove" is a relatively frivolous reason to burn fossil fuels.
  - Notanothertoo 5y ago
    ... Thats disingenuous, its not I don't know how to use an electric stove its that its simply better, they don't even compare. The response time on a gas stove is unbeatable and makes a big difference in how you cook. Also try using a wok on an electric stove. My point was why don't we fix the very obvious and low hanging fruit like cargo ships that run on sludge, fix that first before you tell me and millions of others that "we don't know how to use electric stoves"
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      Ultimately I just find these conversations frustrating. People say they're concerned about the environment but then go into fits at having to make even trivial sacrifices like putting up with electric stoves which are better than they've ever been. And in the process they point at vital industries like shipping and agriculture and say we should do away with those first. If you compare the sacrifices people made, say, to win World War II, just on the home front -- gas rationing, donating household goods for scrap metal, etc.-- it makes us look quite unable to meet the historic moment to see people have fits about using a paper straw.
GordonS 5y ago
The disruption isn't that big, if you don't own a stove and don't cook in your home. For the rest of us, it would be an enormous disruption. If we were forced to get rid of gas stoves, the individual and aggregate economic cost would be huge. And while you might get used to an induction stove, nobody gets used to an electric one - those things really are rubbish.
- a1369209993 5y ago
  >[0] Cooking on electric is a horrible experience compared with gas, and cooking on induction isn't great either (unless you're entire cooking knowledge is boiling a pan of water, in which case, yay!). And of course there are dishes (such as many Chinese dishes) which you simply could no longer cook. > unless you're entire cooking knowledge is boiling a pan of water If your entire cooking knowledge is boiling a pan of water, just get a damn microwave and stop ruining things for everyone else. 0: Quoted in full because it disappeared while I was writing my answer.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    The idea that you can't cook Chinese food on an electric stove is nonsense. If you are a hardcore wok enthusiast you can actually get an induction wok burner, and induction stoves are far more common in China than the US, which one would expect not to be the case if they couldn't be used to make Chinese food. Of course most people trot this argument out as a talking point and not because they actually like to make Chinese food very often.
    - a1369209993 5y ago
      > The idea that [I] can't cook Chinese food on an electric stove is nonsense. Good for you? The most Chinese thing I make on a regular basis is frozen orange chicken (from <checks freezer> Foster Farms, apparently), so I don't really care. In any case, I've yet to encounter a electric stove that's fit-for-purpose for anything more sophisticated than boiling water. That's not to say they don't exist, but someone else, somewhere else having one is rather irrelevant to me. > induction stoves are far more common in China than the US, which one would expect not to be the case if they couldn't be used to make Chinese food. FWIW, I'm pretty sure most uses of "Chinese food" on eg HN refer to American-adaptations-of-Chinese-food, similar to how "pizza" generally bears little resemblance to the traditional Italian dish, so this doesn't mean much either way. > Of course most people trot this argument out as a talking point I appreciate the implication that I'm not most people, I guess?

boring_twenties 5y ago

I've been stuck with an electric stove for the past 4 years. There's no way to ever get used to it, it simply sucks.

Notanothertoo 5y ago

No, it's not comparable and are you kidding me? This is utter nonsense. There are 12 ships that produce more co2 than all the gas fed home sin the world.. Quite getting off in telling other how to be.

emodendroket 5y ago
The point isn't that a stove uses more than a container ship -- where did you get that idea? It's that "I can't figure out how to work an electric stove" is a relatively frivolous reason to burn fossil fuels.
- Notanothertoo 5y ago
  ... Thats disingenuous, its not I don't know how to use an electric stove its that its simply better, they don't even compare. The response time on a gas stove is unbeatable and makes a big difference in how you cook. Also try using a wok on an electric stove. My point was why don't we fix the very obvious and low hanging fruit like cargo ships that run on sludge, fix that first before you tell me and millions of others that "we don't know how to use electric stoves"
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    Ultimately I just find these conversations frustrating. People say they're concerned about the environment but then go into fits at having to make even trivial sacrifices like putting up with electric stoves which are better than they've ever been. And in the process they point at vital industries like shipping and agriculture and say we should do away with those first. If you compare the sacrifices people made, say, to win World War II, just on the home front -- gas rationing, donating household goods for scrap metal, etc.-- it makes us look quite unable to meet the historic moment to see people have fits about using a paper straw.

GordonS 5y ago

The disruption isn't that big, if you don't own a stove and don't cook in your home. For the rest of us, it would be an enormous disruption. If we were forced to get rid of gas stoves, the individual and aggregate economic cost would be huge. And while you might get used to an induction stove, nobody gets used to an electric one - those things really are rubbish.

a1369209993 5y ago
>[0] Cooking on electric is a horrible experience compared with gas, and cooking on induction isn't great either (unless you're entire cooking knowledge is boiling a pan of water, in which case, yay!). And of course there are dishes (such as many Chinese dishes) which you simply could no longer cook. > unless you're entire cooking knowledge is boiling a pan of water If your entire cooking knowledge is boiling a pan of water, just get a damn microwave and stop ruining things for everyone else. 0: Quoted in full because it disappeared while I was writing my answer.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  The idea that you can't cook Chinese food on an electric stove is nonsense. If you are a hardcore wok enthusiast you can actually get an induction wok burner, and induction stoves are far more common in China than the US, which one would expect not to be the case if they couldn't be used to make Chinese food. Of course most people trot this argument out as a talking point and not because they actually like to make Chinese food very often.
  - a1369209993 5y ago
    > The idea that [I] can't cook Chinese food on an electric stove is nonsense. Good for you? The most Chinese thing I make on a regular basis is frozen orange chicken (from <checks freezer> Foster Farms, apparently), so I don't really care. In any case, I've yet to encounter a electric stove that's fit-for-purpose for anything more sophisticated than boiling water. That's not to say they don't exist, but someone else, somewhere else having one is rather irrelevant to me. > induction stoves are far more common in China than the US, which one would expect not to be the case if they couldn't be used to make Chinese food. FWIW, I'm pretty sure most uses of "Chinese food" on eg HN refer to American-adaptations-of-Chinese-food, similar to how "pizza" generally bears little resemblance to the traditional Italian dish, so this doesn't mean much either way. > Of course most people trot this argument out as a talking point I appreciate the implication that I'm not most people, I guess?