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What am I factually wrong about? I agree with your reply. Yes it’s a difficult problem and google and FB have demonstrated that they’re hopeless to solve it. Th

by bryan0 5y ago

What am I factually wrong about? I agree with your reply. Yes it’s a difficult problem and google and FB have demonstrated that they’re hopeless to solve it. That doesn’t make their behavior ethical. In fact even though they can’t solve this problem, their entire business model is still built on the fact that anyone can target ads to a specific group to influence their behavior. And if they’re not showing ads then they are showing personalized content based on engagement and virality, which is not a measure of quality or truth, but one of shock and outrage. So no your employers’ behaviors are not ethical and I think you’d have to be delusional to think so.

mgraczyk 5y ago
You were factually wrong to say "The videos and ads are hyper targeted to misinform people". That statement implies that "videos" are specifically shown to be with the intent to misinform people. In reality Facebook and Google do not do this intentionally, but by accident. > their entire business model is still built on the fact that anyone can target ads to a specific group to influence their behavior Not really, unless by "influence behavior" you mean "click on the ad". Ads just aren't that good, and neither Facebook nor Google want to make money off of misinformation. > not a measure of quality or truth, but one of shock and outrage No not really. Firstly Facebook shouldn't be the decider of quality and truth, so we can discard that as a goal. Content moderation is complicated, you can't just hide stuff that makes people emotional, or you'd have censored everything that happened in 2020. Secondly, I don't think there's anything unethical about showing people the content that they want to see, even if it outrages them. There are many things going on that people should be outraged about. Either way, I still don't consider it an ethical issue, and I don't think I'm delusional. I just know too much about how Facebook actually works to consider them evil.
- bryan0 5y ago
  > That statement implies that "videos" are specifically shown to be with the intent to misinform people. In reality Facebook and Google do not do this intentionally, but by accident. Let me be clear, the content producers are the ones with intent to misinform. Google and FB just profit off of it. > Either way, I still don't consider it an ethical issue Yet you defended this behavior as “ethical” half a dozen times in this thread.

by bryan0 5y ago

mgraczyk 5y ago

You were factually wrong to say "The videos and ads are hyper targeted to misinform people". That statement implies that "videos" are specifically shown to be with the intent to misinform people. In reality Facebook and Google do not do this intentionally, but by accident. > their entire business model is still built on the fact that anyone can target ads to a specific group to influence their behavior Not really, unless by "influence behavior" you mean "click on the ad". Ads just aren't that good, and neither Facebook nor Google want to make money off of misinformation. > not a measure of quality or truth, but one of shock and outrage No not really. Firstly Facebook shouldn't be the decider of quality and truth, so we can discard that as a goal. Content moderation is complicated, you can't just hide stuff that makes people emotional, or you'd have censored everything that happened in 2020. Secondly, I don't think there's anything unethical about showing people the content that they want to see, even if it outrages them. There are many things going on that people should be outraged about. Either way, I still don't consider it an ethical issue, and I don't think I'm delusional. I just know too much about how Facebook actually works to consider them evil.

bryan0 5y ago
> That statement implies that "videos" are specifically shown to be with the intent to misinform people. In reality Facebook and Google do not do this intentionally, but by accident. Let me be clear, the content producers are the ones with intent to misinform. Google and FB just profit off of it. > Either way, I still don't consider it an ethical issue Yet you defended this behavior as “ethical” half a dozen times in this thread.