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Yes, many scientists have predicted this, but unfortunately the act of articulating a positive effect of CO2 tends to get you labeled "climate denier" and censo

by toomim 5y ago

Yes, many scientists have predicted this, but unfortunately the act of articulating a positive effect of CO2 tends to get you labeled "climate denier" and censored from many parts of the media, and thus we aren't very aware of the bigger picture of climate change. Here's an articulation from one of the Greenpeace Cofounders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWEjSDYfxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWEjSDYfxc He also notes that increased CO2 can help boost agriculture productivity, making it easier to feed the world's population.

jacobwilliamroy 5y ago
I have no idea what happened to Patrick Moore. He's not actually an environmentalist anymore. He just uses his past affiliation with Greenpeace to make money being a spokesman for companies like Exxon and Monsanto. He doesn't actually care if you live or die. He just wants you to spend more money on fossil fuels.
- reedjosh 5y ago
  I heard him on a podcast recently. He didn't seem to be pushing Monsanto. Can you please point me to where he does this? I would be rather put off. I hate mono cropping and pretty much everything Monsanto.
  - jacobwilliamroy 5y ago
    It was back in 2015, he made a comment on TV about how glyphosate is safe enough to drink, and then when the interviewer offered him a glass he refused to drink it and said "I'm not stupid." Monsanto denies ever retaining him to make these comments and it's probably true that Patrick Moore has never received money directly from Monsanto. Patrick Moore is proof that with enough money, you can buy whatever you want, including an "ecologist" who says that climate change is a good thing and not caused by humans.
    - reedjosh 5y ago
      Very interesting, thank you.
syops 5y ago
Do you know of any examples of a climate scientist or biologist predicting this and being labeled a climate denier for stating this prediction? I would be very much surprised if it wasn't common knowledge amongst climate scientists that this is one result of the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere.
p1necone 5y ago
This is nonsense. More CO2 === faster plant growth is not some suppressed secret, this is basic science that people have known about for ages, and nobody is going to get labelled anything unless they're mentioning it as part of some bad faith argument. Climate change deniers love stuff like this though, you can bring it up in a bullet point list of "why climate change isn't a big deal" or whatever and push your false narrative without any of the individual points being false. People who bring this fact up and are subsequently labelled climate change deniers are being labelled that because of the context and content of their whole argument, not because one specific true fact was mentioned. It's also a bit disingenuous to talk about Patrick Moore as a Greenpeace Co-founder without any context about what he's been up to since 1986 when he left the organization. This is just an appeal to authority that's only tenuously linked to reality. Stop being disingenuous just so you can feed your persecution complex with strangers on the internet.
- coder-3 5y ago
  >Stop being disingenuous just so you can feed your persecution complex with strangers on the internet. Hey mate, please remember the guidelines[0] when you comment. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html But to your point about Patrick Moore, he really isn't a credible authority on this matter at all. The positive effects of carbon dioxide are true for the most part. However, this does nothing to invalidate the mountain of negative effects that destabilising the climate currently has and will continue to worsen.
dukeyukey 5y ago
My understanding is that this has been known for decades, it's not like it's been suppressed. > He also notes that increased CO2 can help boost agriculture productivity, making it easier to feed the world's population. In cooler countries, this is indeed the case. However, most of the world's population lives in warmer regions, meaning even if we have plenty of food, it's poorer countries that will lack it, so we'll still get climate refugees.
- ilkan 5y ago
  Faster growth = less nutritious plants bc they are slow to take up minerals from the soil. But they do produce more sugar. On the other hand the heat may make some plants shrivel, there was an article about the impact of heat on grapes. Tropical pests may persist in cooler climates bc the seasons won't kill then off and the ecosystem doesnt have enough predators yet.

by toomim 5y ago

jacobwilliamroy 5y ago

I have no idea what happened to Patrick Moore. He's not actually an environmentalist anymore. He just uses his past affiliation with Greenpeace to make money being a spokesman for companies like Exxon and Monsanto. He doesn't actually care if you live or die. He just wants you to spend more money on fossil fuels.

reedjosh 5y ago
I heard him on a podcast recently. He didn't seem to be pushing Monsanto. Can you please point me to where he does this? I would be rather put off. I hate mono cropping and pretty much everything Monsanto.
- jacobwilliamroy 5y ago
  It was back in 2015, he made a comment on TV about how glyphosate is safe enough to drink, and then when the interviewer offered him a glass he refused to drink it and said "I'm not stupid." Monsanto denies ever retaining him to make these comments and it's probably true that Patrick Moore has never received money directly from Monsanto. Patrick Moore is proof that with enough money, you can buy whatever you want, including an "ecologist" who says that climate change is a good thing and not caused by humans.
  - reedjosh 5y ago
    Very interesting, thank you.

syops 5y ago

Do you know of any examples of a climate scientist or biologist predicting this and being labeled a climate denier for stating this prediction? I would be very much surprised if it wasn't common knowledge amongst climate scientists that this is one result of the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere.

p1necone 5y ago

This is nonsense. More CO2 === faster plant growth is not some suppressed secret, this is basic science that people have known about for ages, and nobody is going to get labelled anything unless they're mentioning it as part of some bad faith argument. Climate change deniers love stuff like this though, you can bring it up in a bullet point list of "why climate change isn't a big deal" or whatever and push your false narrative without any of the individual points being false. People who bring this fact up and are subsequently labelled climate change deniers are being labelled that because of the context and content of their whole argument, not because one specific true fact was mentioned. It's also a bit disingenuous to talk about Patrick Moore as a Greenpeace Co-founder without any context about what he's been up to since 1986 when he left the organization. This is just an appeal to authority that's only tenuously linked to reality. Stop being disingenuous just so you can feed your persecution complex with strangers on the internet.

coder-3 5y ago
>Stop being disingenuous just so you can feed your persecution complex with strangers on the internet. Hey mate, please remember the guidelines[0] when you comment. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html But to your point about Patrick Moore, he really isn't a credible authority on this matter at all. The positive effects of carbon dioxide are true for the most part. However, this does nothing to invalidate the mountain of negative effects that destabilising the climate currently has and will continue to worsen.

dukeyukey 5y ago

My understanding is that this has been known for decades, it's not like it's been suppressed. > He also notes that increased CO2 can help boost agriculture productivity, making it easier to feed the world's population. In cooler countries, this is indeed the case. However, most of the world's population lives in warmer regions, meaning even if we have plenty of food, it's poorer countries that will lack it, so we'll still get climate refugees.

ilkan 5y ago
Faster growth = less nutritious plants bc they are slow to take up minerals from the soil. But they do produce more sugar. On the other hand the heat may make some plants shrivel, there was an article about the impact of heat on grapes. Tropical pests may persist in cooler climates bc the seasons won't kill then off and the ecosystem doesnt have enough predators yet.