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> But the coronavirus pandemic has shown that, globally, we are able to make enormous changes to our behaviour when faced with existential crisis. Funny becaus
by gdubs 5y ago
> But the coronavirus pandemic has shown that, globally, we are able to make enormous changes to our behaviour when faced with existential crisis.
Funny because I thought we saw the exact opposite.
- readonthegoapp 5y agoHuh? How so?
- Grim-444 5y agoI'm assuming they wanted a higher percentage of the population to change their behavior and fully comply with lockdowns/masks/vaccine passports/etc. in response to a coronavirus with a 99.98% survival rate.
- LatteLazy 5y ago2.5% death rate here in England. 112k deaths from 4.4m cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_England
- throwitaway1235 5y ago2.5% is not accurate. 4.4 million confirmed UK cases. It's widely known that a large number of cases were never reported/confirmed.
- ChrisRR 5y agoThere's also the discrepancy that the UK counts deaths within 28 days of a covid diagnosis. So while it's statistically likely that most people did die due to covid, some won't have I wonder how much those two even out
- LatteLazy 5y agoOp says the death rate is 0.02%. We have a whole bunch of figures for the death count, all around or above 112k but let's take the much lower 85k excess deaths for just 2020 [0] 85k / 0.0002 would mean 425 million people had had covid in England. England only has 55 million people. [0] https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1137 https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1137 If you don't like my number, please suggest your own. But anyone saying 99.98% survive is being silly.
- bandana 5y ago600k excess deaths in the US, which is 0.02% of the 328 million population - ie, 99.98% of the us population survived the virus in 2020. Is it silly ? Edit : it is, my bad, added a zero. It should read 0.2%, not 0.02%.
- perl4ever 5y agoAnother way to look at it is that in January, when things were worst, weekly deaths from everything were about 50% higher than "normal" for 2015-19. That's not precisely the same as covid-19 deaths, nor does it represent the whole of 2020, but it's pretty staggering and suggests what would happen if it was left untreated.
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- ChrisRR 5y agoErrrrr you do know you don't count people who haven't had the virus in survival rates, right? If they haven't had it, they haven't survived it.
- ChrisRR 5y agoDid you forget to multiply by 100 for the percentage or something? I just calculated the survival rate for the US as 98.2%
- LatteLazy 5y agoI'm not OP but... I'm English. There hasn't been a single time I've gone to the super market and seen everyone wear a mask. I've been at least 100 times. Probably more. This is excluding anyone with an exception and any kids etc. The same for taking the tube into London the few times I've been. Multiple government ministers have been caught breaking the rules and kept their jobs. They've been caught ignoring scientific advice multiple times. They've gone out of their way to make it clear that breaking the rules is A-OK.
- perl4ever 5y ago>I'm English. There hasn't been a single time I've gone to the super market and seen everyone wear a mask. This is interesting, because obviously the US varies a lot, but this was normal (everyone wearing a mask) for several months where I live, at the supermarket I usually go to. I live in a smaller urban area (about 1 million people) of a larger northeastern state. I imagine even more rural areas of the same state might have been different.
- CodeGlitch 5y agoI wonder if this changes per region. Here in the west midlands, it's pretty rare to see someone breaking mask-wearing rules within supermarkets.
- mpalmer 5y agoNot to mention COVID didn't require most people to make actual permanent changes to something as personally important as their diet. Plenty of people wore masks, distanced, etc knowing the special safety measures would end eventually.