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I eat a lot of vegetables and a lot of fake meat. 1. Vegetables have less protein (and fat) 2. Lab grown meat is essentially a vegetable for the aspects that

I eat a lot of vegetables and a lot of fake meat. 1. Vegetables have less protein (and fat) 2. Lab grown meat is essentially a vegetable for the aspects that make vegetables desirable. 3. Nearly every vegetable is already severely unnaturally genetically engineered.

smackeyacky 5y ago
By saying "unnaturally genetically engineered" do you mean (a) selectively bred? Or do you mean (b) laboratory enhanced? If it's (b) then you are very mistaken. There is nothing wrong with (a) in terms of nutrition or food safety. We would not be feeding the world without (a) and it's a dangerous and wilfully ignorant statement to associate selective breeding with something like CRISPR.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  I don't recall the keyword to search for, but I believe I've read there is a third option, neither (a) or (b) exactly, which was used prior to modern genetic engineering and arguably should be considered more risky. That is using radiation or something else mutagenic to produce a lot of mutants at random and then selectively breeding them. If this is not considered "genetic engineering" but "selective breeding" it would tend to support the idea that people are irrational about the label.
  - GravitasFailure 5y ago
    Mutation breeding, mutagenesis, or Atomic Gardening. You take a radiation source, grow plants around it, and breed the ones with interesting mutations. Ruby Red Grapefruit was bred this way exposing either the plants or seeds to radiation from a Cobalt-60 source. I believe there was also a process that involved exposure to chemicals that would cause DNA damage and induce mutations as well, but I don't know how successful it was. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/06/13/pasta-ruby-grapefruits-why-organic-devotees-love-foods-mutated-by-radiation-and-chemicals/ https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/06/13/pasta-ruby-gra... https://unbelievable-facts.com/2017/08/atomic-gardening.html https://unbelievable-facts.com/2017/08/atomic-gardening.html
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7sigma 5y ago
Your 3rd point doesn't really stand up as nature has been genetically engineering plants for far longer than humans. The sweet potato for example has had DNA implanted from other species via the agrobacterium. There are other examples out there. Also nearly every vegetable has been modified via breeding as the wild counterpart is a lot less edible. For example bananas and watermelons used to have a lot more seeds.

smackeyacky 5y ago

By saying "unnaturally genetically engineered" do you mean (a) selectively bred? Or do you mean (b) laboratory enhanced? If it's (b) then you are very mistaken. There is nothing wrong with (a) in terms of nutrition or food safety. We would not be feeding the world without (a) and it's a dangerous and wilfully ignorant statement to associate selective breeding with something like CRISPR.

perl4ever 5y ago
I don't recall the keyword to search for, but I believe I've read there is a third option, neither (a) or (b) exactly, which was used prior to modern genetic engineering and arguably should be considered more risky. That is using radiation or something else mutagenic to produce a lot of mutants at random and then selectively breeding them. If this is not considered "genetic engineering" but "selective breeding" it would tend to support the idea that people are irrational about the label.
- GravitasFailure 5y ago
  Mutation breeding, mutagenesis, or Atomic Gardening. You take a radiation source, grow plants around it, and breed the ones with interesting mutations. Ruby Red Grapefruit was bred this way exposing either the plants or seeds to radiation from a Cobalt-60 source. I believe there was also a process that involved exposure to chemicals that would cause DNA damage and induce mutations as well, but I don't know how successful it was. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/06/13/pasta-ruby-grapefruits-why-organic-devotees-love-foods-mutated-by-radiation-and-chemicals/ https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/06/13/pasta-ruby-gra... https://unbelievable-facts.com/2017/08/atomic-gardening.html https://unbelievable-facts.com/2017/08/atomic-gardening.html
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7sigma 5y ago

Your 3rd point doesn't really stand up as nature has been genetically engineering plants for far longer than humans. The sweet potato for example has had DNA implanted from other species via the agrobacterium. There are other examples out there. Also nearly every vegetable has been modified via breeding as the wild counterpart is a lot less edible. For example bananas and watermelons used to have a lot more seeds.