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I agree. This thread has me quite depressed. Numerous people who can't give up a minor convenience like being able to sear a capsicum over a flame in order to h

by mdoms 5y ago

I agree. This thread has me quite depressed. Numerous people who can't give up a minor convenience like being able to sear a capsicum over a flame in order to help save our planet.

desine 5y ago
How old is your phone? Your computer? Your car? Have you updated them in the last 5 years? Do you play video games? On anything newer than a PS3/Xbox One? Or are you a true environmentalist still gaming on a SNES? Watch films? Ever take a drive to clear your mind? Ever drive somewhere you could have theoretically walked, or taken public transit? Do you buy all your books pre-owned? Ever purchase the "collectors edition" of something with some included trinkets/posters/box set? Who are you to say that my mild inconveniences are more mild than yours?
- tjr225 5y ago
  > How old is your phone? A few years old. I broke my previous one on accident. > Your computer? I got it for free from a coworker and I really don't know how old it is. I think it is from 2016 or so. > Your car? 1991. > Have you updated them in the last 5 years? No, > Do you play video games? Yes, on my computer my coworker gave me. Seems to run everything just fine, even though its 5 years old! > On anything newer than a PS3/Xbox One? Or are you a true environmentalist still gaming on a SNES? See above. > Watch films? Sometimes? > Ever take a drive to clear your mind? No. > Ever drive somewhere you could have theoretically walked, or taken public transit? Sometimes, but only in a pinch. > Do you buy all your books pre-owned? Yes. > Ever purchase the "collectors edition" of something with some included trinkets/posters/box set? No.
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  - desine 5y ago
    If honest, congrats on being a rare breed. Not sure what this is supposed to contribute.
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      Poor people post on HN too.
      - tjr225 5y ago
        I’m not poor. I make 120-150k a year depending on the year and my wife works, too. Just living below my means for a variety of reasons; anyone can do it. That is the point of my post. It’s really not that hard to consume less if it is important to you.
        desine 5y ago
        Neither am I. I'm in the same approximate income. My car and motorcycle are both 2002s. My computers I upgraded this year and last year, but previously were 2011 and 2013. Phone is an iPhone 7 with broken screen and camera. I put an effort into conserving. But you're not who I was making a point to, and coming in, with no other posts in this discussion, and pointing out that you conserve everything I tried to allegorically illustrate as common wastes comes across as... weird? rude? I don't know how to describe it, maybe just tone deaf?
        tjr225 5y ago
        I dunno, to be honest. I thought the original post I replied to was setting a low bar- that’s why I replied. There is a ton of free, nearly free, and cheap shit out there that works just fine. It’s not that difficult to use it. I’m not behind economically, my friends think I’m a little weird but whatever- almost everyone I know gets it.
        desine 5y ago
        To be fair, I'm addressing a tech nerd website. I think the bar here tends to be more wasteful than you or I. My last job, there were multiple people with their cubicle walls covered to the top in funko pops, latest and greatest gaming was common cafeteria talk, and new engineers always had a fresh off the line car
- boring_twenties 5y ago
  Updating your phone is a bit of a cheap shot when most manufacturers don't support them for longer than 2 years. A 5 year old Android phone, shit, you can probably get a root shell by just sneezing in its general direction.
nate_meurer 5y ago
I think you're missing the point. Gas cooking is a vanishingly small fraction of energy consumption. Every time you commute to work, you produce more CO2 than my gas stove does in months. Every time you fly on a plane (which I do only if I absolutely have to), you produce more CO2 than my stove will in its entire lifetime. Transportation is an area where changes in behavior can make a significant difference in energy consumption and CO2 production. Gas cooking is probably not.

by mdoms 5y ago

I agree. This thread has me quite depressed. Numerous people who can't give up a minor convenience like being able to sear a capsicum over a flame in order to help save our planet.

desine 5y ago

How old is your phone? Your computer? Your car? Have you updated them in the last 5 years? Do you play video games? On anything newer than a PS3/Xbox One? Or are you a true environmentalist still gaming on a SNES? Watch films? Ever take a drive to clear your mind? Ever drive somewhere you could have theoretically walked, or taken public transit? Do you buy all your books pre-owned? Ever purchase the "collectors edition" of something with some included trinkets/posters/box set? Who are you to say that my mild inconveniences are more mild than yours?

tjr225 5y ago
> How old is your phone? A few years old. I broke my previous one on accident. > Your computer? I got it for free from a coworker and I really don't know how old it is. I think it is from 2016 or so. > Your car? 1991. > Have you updated them in the last 5 years? No, > Do you play video games? Yes, on my computer my coworker gave me. Seems to run everything just fine, even though its 5 years old! > On anything newer than a PS3/Xbox One? Or are you a true environmentalist still gaming on a SNES? See above. > Watch films? Sometimes? > Ever take a drive to clear your mind? No. > Ever drive somewhere you could have theoretically walked, or taken public transit? Sometimes, but only in a pinch. > Do you buy all your books pre-owned? Yes. > Ever purchase the "collectors edition" of something with some included trinkets/posters/box set? No.
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- desine 5y ago
  If honest, congrats on being a rare breed. Not sure what this is supposed to contribute.
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    Poor people post on HN too.
    - tjr225 5y ago
      I’m not poor. I make 120-150k a year depending on the year and my wife works, too. Just living below my means for a variety of reasons; anyone can do it. That is the point of my post. It’s really not that hard to consume less if it is important to you.
      - desine 5y ago
        Neither am I. I'm in the same approximate income. My car and motorcycle are both 2002s. My computers I upgraded this year and last year, but previously were 2011 and 2013. Phone is an iPhone 7 with broken screen and camera. I put an effort into conserving. But you're not who I was making a point to, and coming in, with no other posts in this discussion, and pointing out that you conserve everything I tried to allegorically illustrate as common wastes comes across as... weird? rude? I don't know how to describe it, maybe just tone deaf?
        tjr225 5y ago
        I dunno, to be honest. I thought the original post I replied to was setting a low bar- that’s why I replied. There is a ton of free, nearly free, and cheap shit out there that works just fine. It’s not that difficult to use it. I’m not behind economically, my friends think I’m a little weird but whatever- almost everyone I know gets it.
        desine 5y ago
        To be fair, I'm addressing a tech nerd website. I think the bar here tends to be more wasteful than you or I. My last job, there were multiple people with their cubicle walls covered to the top in funko pops, latest and greatest gaming was common cafeteria talk, and new engineers always had a fresh off the line car
boring_twenties 5y ago
Updating your phone is a bit of a cheap shot when most manufacturers don't support them for longer than 2 years. A 5 year old Android phone, shit, you can probably get a root shell by just sneezing in its general direction.

nate_meurer 5y ago

I think you're missing the point. Gas cooking is a vanishingly small fraction of energy consumption. Every time you commute to work, you produce more CO2 than my gas stove does in months. Every time you fly on a plane (which I do only if I absolutely have to), you produce more CO2 than my stove will in its entire lifetime. Transportation is an area where changes in behavior can make a significant difference in energy consumption and CO2 production. Gas cooking is probably not.