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As if gas stoves were a primary reason for carbon emissions. This is just ridiculous regulations overreach. EDIT: anyone who downvotes is welcome to provide a

by oliv__ 5y ago

As if gas stoves were a primary reason for carbon emissions. This is just ridiculous regulations overreach. EDIT: anyone who downvotes is welcome to provide a stat and make a fool of themselves

voisin 5y ago
I am not sure we have the luxury of only going after primary emitters. I think at this point we have to do literally everything we can. Also, I read on HN a month or so ago about gas stoves making indoor air quality worse. So there is some upside there too. And if we remove gas stoves then people will probably not care to have gas brought in just for water heaters, and maybe we can avoid an entire type of infrastructure.
- oliv__ 5y ago
  Copying someone's comment on WSJ: "Cooking with nat gas is ~ 3% of gas use which is about 0.001% of US fossil fuel use which is about 0.001% of global fossil fuel emissions. Banning gas cooking is farcical virtue signaling if you truly want to decrease CO2 emissions."
  - sixo 5y ago
    That sounds wrong. Quickly googling, https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/ https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/ says the US is around 13% of global greenhouse gas emissions, and https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/energy-and-the-environment/where-greenhouse-gases-come-from.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/energy-and-the-environme... says gas is around 44% of U.S emissions. so that random WSJ comment is pretty hard to believe.
- smabie 5y ago
  It's premature optimization and not worth the time to even think about.
bryanlarsen 5y ago
They're not. Nor does the article assert that they are. You're attacking a straw man. Natural gas heating is the largest greenhouse gas source in my province and many other jurisdictions. Not providing natural gas hookups to new construction is one way to reduce that. The loss of natural gas cooking is a side effect. But if you really need a gas stove you don't need a hook up, you can use a bottle and nobody will stop you. Carbon taxes might make it expensive, but nobody will stop you.
hluska 5y ago
What about the last four decades of studies that have indicated people who grow up around gas cooking have a far greater likelihood of severe respiratory ailments? Four decades of research…
- Notanothertoo 5y ago
  OK you take more risk of dying every time you get in car..

by oliv__ 5y ago

As if gas stoves were a primary reason for carbon emissions. This is just ridiculous regulations overreach. EDIT: anyone who downvotes is welcome to provide a stat and make a fool of themselves

voisin 5y ago

I am not sure we have the luxury of only going after primary emitters. I think at this point we have to do literally everything we can. Also, I read on HN a month or so ago about gas stoves making indoor air quality worse. So there is some upside there too. And if we remove gas stoves then people will probably not care to have gas brought in just for water heaters, and maybe we can avoid an entire type of infrastructure.

oliv__ 5y ago
Copying someone's comment on WSJ: "Cooking with nat gas is ~ 3% of gas use which is about 0.001% of US fossil fuel use which is about 0.001% of global fossil fuel emissions. Banning gas cooking is farcical virtue signaling if you truly want to decrease CO2 emissions."
- sixo 5y ago
  That sounds wrong. Quickly googling, https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/ https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/ says the US is around 13% of global greenhouse gas emissions, and https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/energy-and-the-environment/where-greenhouse-gases-come-from.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/energy-and-the-environme... says gas is around 44% of U.S emissions. so that random WSJ comment is pretty hard to believe.
smabie 5y ago
It's premature optimization and not worth the time to even think about.

bryanlarsen 5y ago

They're not. Nor does the article assert that they are. You're attacking a straw man. Natural gas heating is the largest greenhouse gas source in my province and many other jurisdictions. Not providing natural gas hookups to new construction is one way to reduce that. The loss of natural gas cooking is a side effect. But if you really need a gas stove you don't need a hook up, you can use a bottle and nobody will stop you. Carbon taxes might make it expensive, but nobody will stop you.

hluska 5y ago

What about the last four decades of studies that have indicated people who grow up around gas cooking have a far greater likelihood of severe respiratory ailments? Four decades of research…

Notanothertoo 5y ago
OK you take more risk of dying every time you get in car..