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The other peril is not being able to run a docker machine because it’s not available for M1. Which is disappointing because, you know, because you can’t tell cu

The other peril is not being able to run a docker machine because it’s not available for M1. Which is disappointing because, you know, because you can’t tell customers that your software wasn’t tested in Oracle, and we invented VMs to be able to run any VM on any other machine…

zepto 5y ago
This is totally false. https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/
- rvz 5y ago
  Had to wait 6 months since launch for it to be stable. That there tells me it was not production ready for M1 Macs at the time, which isn't good.
  - zepto 5y ago
    > at the time, which isn't good. At what time?
    - rvz 5y ago
      Since the month the M1 Macs first launched; November 2020.
      - zepto 5y ago
        I see you’ve edited your earlier comment so it is clearer. So your point was to complain about how Docker took a long time to update their code. I guess that’s not good.
        rvz 5y ago
        > So your point was to complain about how Docker took a long time to update their code. I guess that’s not good. Not exactly. The software was not stable for general use for M1 users at the time of its launch in November 2020. That is the point. I don't know anyone who thinks or recommends using unstable preview tools for production use is a good idea or even waiting for the software to stabilise for months on a newly unsupported machine. Means you can't use it properly for months. Might as well use an already existing computer that works well.
        zepto 5y ago
        > The software was not stable for general use for M1 users at the time of its launch in November 2020. That seems like a basic fact that nobody is contesting. > I don't know anyone who thinks or recommends using unstable preview tools for production use is a good idea Who is recommending that? > Might as well use an already existing computer that works well. It seems bizzare to suggest that the computer doesn’t work well when it obviously does. I agree it’s better to use a computer on which the software you want to use is supported. I personally ruled out buying am M1 Mac until after Docker was supported. Is that the point you are trying to make?
        rvz 5y ago
        > It seems bizzare to suggest that the computer doesn’t work well when it obviously does. Unfortunately, most of the frustrations were from users who went 'all in' since November 2020 and realised that the device did not work well for them. Not only basic updates didn't work, recovery mode also failed to work. Then Apple prevented the majority of popular iOS apps from running on the M1. Making it only up to the developer. > I personally ruled out buying am M1 Mac until after Docker was supported. Is that the point you are trying to make? yes. It's better to wait until the software you need is available, officially supported and stable; and then switch rather than buying it and going all in and realising that the software you need doesn't work well and gets in the way.
        zepto 5y ago
        None of this has anything to do with the computer not working well. All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well. Implying that the device is at fault is dishonest.
jitl 5y ago
Docker is available for the M1 and runs both x64 and ARM images https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/
rahen 5y ago
Docker on M1 can run x86_64 containers when aarch64 isn't available in the registry. I use it everyday.
kbutler 5y ago
This was true until April 15, 2021. https://www.docker.com/press-release/Docker-Desktop-for-M1-powered-Macs https://www.docker.com/press-release/Docker-Desktop-for-M1-p...
- rgbrenner 5y ago
  It was only true for 1 month after m1 started shipping.. because the Docker Desktop Beta was released on Dec 16, 2020: https://www.docker.com/blog/download-and-try-the-tech-preview-of-docker-desktop-for-m1/ https://www.docker.com/blog/download-and-try-the-tech-previe... It worked pretty well.. sometimes you had to use the x86 container instead of the arm version. And I had one container that hadnt been updated by the maintainer in a few years, so I had to update it myself so it would work. And sometimes qemu would crash... but those cases were all exceptions, and it generally worked well.
  - kbutler 5y ago
    I'll just say my experience in early 2021 didn't match that, or I wasn't willing to invest enough to get unsupported, pre-release software working, when I had easy access to x86 macs.
  - rvz 5y ago
    That doesn't mean anything since at the time (November 2020) it explicitly says it is 'not stable' for general use. Like you said yourself 'sometimes qemu would crash' and one of the known issues in the preview and beta versions is that the kernel panics regularly. At the time since November 2020: > 'Docker Desktop on Apple M1 chip is still under development. We recommend that you do not use tech preview builds in production environments.' My intention is not to 'test' this software, I am simply using it for general use and I do not suggest using beta or preview software to anyone if it is known to be that unstable. As soon as it was marked officially as a 'stable' release, then I would use it. Those who bought the M1 would have waited 6 months for it to be stable.
dawnerd 5y ago
I have with with docker on Mac about two years ago. Just got a dedicated server to run it and it’s made my development a lot less stressful. I’d suggest doing the same.
leemcd56 5y ago
Not true. I use Docker every day on my Mac mini M1. Now Dropbox, on the other hand, barely does… it brings my Mac to a crawl.

zepto 5y ago

This is totally false. https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/

rvz 5y ago
Had to wait 6 months since launch for it to be stable. That there tells me it was not production ready for M1 Macs at the time, which isn't good.
- zepto 5y ago
  > at the time, which isn't good. At what time?
  - rvz 5y ago
    Since the month the M1 Macs first launched; November 2020.
    - zepto 5y ago
      I see you’ve edited your earlier comment so it is clearer. So your point was to complain about how Docker took a long time to update their code. I guess that’s not good.
      - rvz 5y ago
        > So your point was to complain about how Docker took a long time to update their code. I guess that’s not good. Not exactly. The software was not stable for general use for M1 users at the time of its launch in November 2020. That is the point. I don't know anyone who thinks or recommends using unstable preview tools for production use is a good idea or even waiting for the software to stabilise for months on a newly unsupported machine. Means you can't use it properly for months. Might as well use an already existing computer that works well.
        zepto 5y ago
        > The software was not stable for general use for M1 users at the time of its launch in November 2020. That seems like a basic fact that nobody is contesting. > I don't know anyone who thinks or recommends using unstable preview tools for production use is a good idea Who is recommending that? > Might as well use an already existing computer that works well. It seems bizzare to suggest that the computer doesn’t work well when it obviously does. I agree it’s better to use a computer on which the software you want to use is supported. I personally ruled out buying am M1 Mac until after Docker was supported. Is that the point you are trying to make?
        rvz 5y ago
        > It seems bizzare to suggest that the computer doesn’t work well when it obviously does. Unfortunately, most of the frustrations were from users who went 'all in' since November 2020 and realised that the device did not work well for them. Not only basic updates didn't work, recovery mode also failed to work. Then Apple prevented the majority of popular iOS apps from running on the M1. Making it only up to the developer. > I personally ruled out buying am M1 Mac until after Docker was supported. Is that the point you are trying to make? yes. It's better to wait until the software you need is available, officially supported and stable; and then switch rather than buying it and going all in and realising that the software you need doesn't work well and gets in the way.
        zepto 5y ago
        None of this has anything to do with the computer not working well. All reports are that the M1 Macs work extremely well. Implying that the device is at fault is dishonest.

jitl 5y ago

Docker is available for the M1 and runs both x64 and ARM images https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/apple-silicon/

rahen 5y ago

Docker on M1 can run x86_64 containers when aarch64 isn't available in the registry. I use it everyday.

kbutler 5y ago

This was true until April 15, 2021. https://www.docker.com/press-release/Docker-Desktop-for-M1-powered-Macs https://www.docker.com/press-release/Docker-Desktop-for-M1-p...

rgbrenner 5y ago
It was only true for 1 month after m1 started shipping.. because the Docker Desktop Beta was released on Dec 16, 2020: https://www.docker.com/blog/download-and-try-the-tech-preview-of-docker-desktop-for-m1/ https://www.docker.com/blog/download-and-try-the-tech-previe... It worked pretty well.. sometimes you had to use the x86 container instead of the arm version. And I had one container that hadnt been updated by the maintainer in a few years, so I had to update it myself so it would work. And sometimes qemu would crash... but those cases were all exceptions, and it generally worked well.
- kbutler 5y ago
  I'll just say my experience in early 2021 didn't match that, or I wasn't willing to invest enough to get unsupported, pre-release software working, when I had easy access to x86 macs.
- rvz 5y ago
  That doesn't mean anything since at the time (November 2020) it explicitly says it is 'not stable' for general use. Like you said yourself 'sometimes qemu would crash' and one of the known issues in the preview and beta versions is that the kernel panics regularly. At the time since November 2020: > 'Docker Desktop on Apple M1 chip is still under development. We recommend that you do not use tech preview builds in production environments.' My intention is not to 'test' this software, I am simply using it for general use and I do not suggest using beta or preview software to anyone if it is known to be that unstable. As soon as it was marked officially as a 'stable' release, then I would use it. Those who bought the M1 would have waited 6 months for it to be stable.

dawnerd 5y ago

I have with with docker on Mac about two years ago. Just got a dedicated server to run it and it’s made my development a lot less stressful. I’d suggest doing the same.

leemcd56 5y ago

Not true. I use Docker every day on my Mac mini M1. Now Dropbox, on the other hand, barely does… it brings my Mac to a crawl.