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At this point, being unvaccinated without an approved medical reason (e.g. immunocompromised) should be treated as a pre-existing condition What are you talkin

At this point, being unvaccinated without an approved medical reason (e.g. immunocompromised) should be treated as a pre-existing condition What are you talking about? Under current law, health insurance companies can’t refuse to cover you or charge you more just because you have a “pre-existing condition” — that is, a health problem you had before the date that new health coverage starts.These rules went into effect for plan years beginning on or after January 1, 2014. https://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/about-the-aca/pre-existing-conditions/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/about-the-aca/pre-existing-co... Please don’t be one of those “if you don’t listen to me I hope you die” types; you can catch more flies with honey.

hoppyhoppy2 5y ago
The ACA does allow health insurers to charge up to 50% more for smokers' health insurance premiums (though some individual states have banned it)
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toomuchtodo 5y ago
If you are willfully ignorant and cause yourself and others harm, you should be exposed to the full financial cost of your ignorance. Vaccines are free and widely available; there are no more carrots left to offer the ignorant.
- neither_color 5y ago
  I don’t wish any harm on anyone though. If you assume I’m unvaccinated because I called someone out on their outdated misunderstanding of how pre-existing conditions work it says more about you than me.
- Proven 5y ago
  > If you are willfully ignorant and cause yourself and others harm, you should be exposed to the full financial cost of your ignorance. Wait, now you're against Obamacare as well?
- yeuxardents 5y ago
  How about no understanding of potential long term side effects whatsoever? Fancy some liver cancer in four years? What part about 'not been fully studied' and 'experimental' do people such as yourself not understand?
- ds206 5y ago
  Wait a second, you think everyone that hasn't been vaccinated is "willfully ignorant"? Bruh, c'mon, anyone can look at the numbers and come to their own conclusions (until complete censorship takes that option away). I mean, have you not had coworkers disagree with you about how to implement or do something? If the choice is made to use their idea instead of yours, are you secretly hoping for the project to fail?
  - radu_floricica 5y ago
    Hoping the project to fail, no. Willing to pay real money when their project failed for predictible causes because they didn't do basic due diligence, also no.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    If the team is using python and they decide they know better and go rogue and use haskell, I'll hope they fail/be punished. Group cooperation is important on big issues. Nothing against haskell.
- totony 5y ago
  That argument falls on its face as soon as you check most other illness. What if you're sick because you don't work out, eat like shit, etc? If you start discriminating on what people did/do to prevent illness when treating them you'll never stop and are bound to have biased judgment.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Unhealthy lifestyle habits are priced into both health and life insurance.
    - totony 5y ago
      Not familiar with those that much (I live in a public healthcare country where they can't discriminate on bad lifestyle), but from parent it seems they can't change your premium if your lifestyle changes? (Which seems more similar to what op proposed).
- JohnSmithWesson 5y ago
  Buddy, there isn’t a single vaccine that is even FDA approved yet. Maybe you should practice a little humility.
humanistbot 5y ago
Okay, I got the "preexisting conditions" terminology wrong. I think if you don't listen to medical experts and get a free, universally available vaccine, the rest of society shouldn't pay for the very expensive costs of your choice.
- JohnSmithWesson 5y ago
  How much do you have to be wrong about before you start questioning your holier-than-thou attitudes? The FDA still hasn’t officially approved a single COVID vaccine yet and isn’t expected to for another month or two. And yet here you are wanting people punished for not taking a vaccine that the FDA hasn’t even approved yet. Your tough talk isn’t backed up by any understanding of US healthcare.
castratikron 5y ago
Health insurance is more expensive for smokers generally. Why not antivaxers too?

hoppyhoppy2 5y ago

The ACA does allow health insurers to charge up to 50% more for smokers' health insurance premiums (though some individual states have banned it)

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toomuchtodo 5y ago

If you are willfully ignorant and cause yourself and others harm, you should be exposed to the full financial cost of your ignorance. Vaccines are free and widely available; there are no more carrots left to offer the ignorant.

neither_color 5y ago
I don’t wish any harm on anyone though. If you assume I’m unvaccinated because I called someone out on their outdated misunderstanding of how pre-existing conditions work it says more about you than me.
Proven 5y ago
> If you are willfully ignorant and cause yourself and others harm, you should be exposed to the full financial cost of your ignorance. Wait, now you're against Obamacare as well?
yeuxardents 5y ago
How about no understanding of potential long term side effects whatsoever? Fancy some liver cancer in four years? What part about 'not been fully studied' and 'experimental' do people such as yourself not understand?
ds206 5y ago
Wait a second, you think everyone that hasn't been vaccinated is "willfully ignorant"? Bruh, c'mon, anyone can look at the numbers and come to their own conclusions (until complete censorship takes that option away). I mean, have you not had coworkers disagree with you about how to implement or do something? If the choice is made to use their idea instead of yours, are you secretly hoping for the project to fail?
- radu_floricica 5y ago
  Hoping the project to fail, no. Willing to pay real money when their project failed for predictible causes because they didn't do basic due diligence, also no.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  If the team is using python and they decide they know better and go rogue and use haskell, I'll hope they fail/be punished. Group cooperation is important on big issues. Nothing against haskell.
totony 5y ago
That argument falls on its face as soon as you check most other illness. What if you're sick because you don't work out, eat like shit, etc? If you start discriminating on what people did/do to prevent illness when treating them you'll never stop and are bound to have biased judgment.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Unhealthy lifestyle habits are priced into both health and life insurance.
  - totony 5y ago
    Not familiar with those that much (I live in a public healthcare country where they can't discriminate on bad lifestyle), but from parent it seems they can't change your premium if your lifestyle changes? (Which seems more similar to what op proposed).
JohnSmithWesson 5y ago
Buddy, there isn’t a single vaccine that is even FDA approved yet. Maybe you should practice a little humility.

humanistbot 5y ago

Okay, I got the "preexisting conditions" terminology wrong. I think if you don't listen to medical experts and get a free, universally available vaccine, the rest of society shouldn't pay for the very expensive costs of your choice.

JohnSmithWesson 5y ago
How much do you have to be wrong about before you start questioning your holier-than-thou attitudes? The FDA still hasn’t officially approved a single COVID vaccine yet and isn’t expected to for another month or two. And yet here you are wanting people punished for not taking a vaccine that the FDA hasn’t even approved yet. Your tough talk isn’t backed up by any understanding of US healthcare.

castratikron 5y ago

Health insurance is more expensive for smokers generally. Why not antivaxers too?